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		<title>By: AnnaCKeenan</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/22/when-sarah-palin-is-right/#comment-87316</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those who enjoyed this post might also enjoy (particularly the last few paragraphs of) this post: http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/23/framing-were-going-to-solve-it/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who enjoyed this post might also enjoy (particularly the last few paragraphs of) this post: <a href="http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/23/framing-were-going-to-solve-it/" rel="nofollow">http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/23/framing-were-going-to-solve-it/</a></p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi all,
Its rad to see so many people I love and respect participating in this discussion.  Juliana I think you are on to something.  This post actually reminds me of 2 conversations that have been reoccurring in my life.  One about accountability, and another about the nature of our argument for sustainability. I figured I would share a bit. 

I feel that the way accountability is often depicted in political organizing can be risky.  Accountability is often brought up in terms of &quot;others,&quot; meaning the scope of people we work with including politicians and volunteers and also the general public.  It is true that there is a need for accountability with those people, but if our sole focus becomes holding others accountable what does that mean for us?  I have often found myself feeling absolved from the need for immediate action that creates a sustainable and just future after a lobby visit.  I think this is because I feel I have shifted that sense of accountability onto the person just I lobbied. I am starting to feel there is a loss that moves beyond accountability in this exchange.  By relying on others to create the world I want I am also giving them my power, or maybe focusing it through them.  Either way, my own power/sense of empowerment seems to take a hit.  Especially when the person I lobby just shrugs me off and goes the other way.  All I am left with is hope, which, for me, can be a self justifying respite or a place of power and action.  Do I demand change or create it myself?  Sometimes both I think.

In terms of our argument for sustainability, its nature seems to be contributed to by this shifting of accountability and power.  If we look at the bare-bones of this argument I feel like I begin to understand a bit of why there seems to be so much hesitation in some sectors of our community (politics).  On one hand, existing industries like coal are saying &quot;Hey, we have been serving you for about 200 years, you wouldn&#039;t be able to live like you do right now without us.  Sure there are some bad things about what we are doing, but we will clean up.  We will get better.  Stick with us, it has worked so far.&quot;  On the other hand we are often arguing in favor of things that have never been done.  In addition, we don&#039;t really know what it will look like.  We have a couple innovative and magnificent ideas, and some goals around emissions.  This is a far cry from being on the ground everywhere and functioning.  So do you fix what is there or go for the virtually unknown?  Can we prove that what exists is bad enough for us to go with the unknown?  

Fortunately it looks like we can, or (less-fortunately) nature will do it for us soon, and there are new solutions popping up around the world all the time.  Each solution that goes into effect is proof that the world we are demanding actually can exist, and shifts the political landscape.  Imagine a congress once there are people who have green jobs in every district.  Obama said we can create change, not that he alone can.  If he did then it would all be top-down and perpetuate the type of socio-governmental hierarchy that seems to be undermining our democracy.  &quot;We, the people,&quot; must lead this, and not just by asking  our elected officials to act.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.  Kinda long... maybe I should have just written a blog =)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi all,<br />
Its rad to see so many people I love and respect participating in this discussion.  Juliana I think you are on to something.  This post actually reminds me of 2 conversations that have been reoccurring in my life.  One about accountability, and another about the nature of our argument for sustainability. I figured I would share a bit. </p>
<p>I feel that the way accountability is often depicted in political organizing can be risky.  Accountability is often brought up in terms of &#8220;others,&#8221; meaning the scope of people we work with including politicians and volunteers and also the general public.  It is true that there is a need for accountability with those people, but if our sole focus becomes holding others accountable what does that mean for us?  I have often found myself feeling absolved from the need for immediate action that creates a sustainable and just future after a lobby visit.  I think this is because I feel I have shifted that sense of accountability onto the person just I lobbied. I am starting to feel there is a loss that moves beyond accountability in this exchange.  By relying on others to create the world I want I am also giving them my power, or maybe focusing it through them.  Either way, my own power/sense of empowerment seems to take a hit.  Especially when the person I lobby just shrugs me off and goes the other way.  All I am left with is hope, which, for me, can be a self justifying respite or a place of power and action.  Do I demand change or create it myself?  Sometimes both I think.</p>
<p>In terms of our argument for sustainability, its nature seems to be contributed to by this shifting of accountability and power.  If we look at the bare-bones of this argument I feel like I begin to understand a bit of why there seems to be so much hesitation in some sectors of our community (politics).  On one hand, existing industries like coal are saying &#8220;Hey, we have been serving you for about 200 years, you wouldn&#8217;t be able to live like you do right now without us.  Sure there are some bad things about what we are doing, but we will clean up.  We will get better.  Stick with us, it has worked so far.&#8221;  On the other hand we are often arguing in favor of things that have never been done.  In addition, we don&#8217;t really know what it will look like.  We have a couple innovative and magnificent ideas, and some goals around emissions.  This is a far cry from being on the ground everywhere and functioning.  So do you fix what is there or go for the virtually unknown?  Can we prove that what exists is bad enough for us to go with the unknown?  </p>
<p>Fortunately it looks like we can, or (less-fortunately) nature will do it for us soon, and there are new solutions popping up around the world all the time.  Each solution that goes into effect is proof that the world we are demanding actually can exist, and shifts the political landscape.  Imagine a congress once there are people who have green jobs in every district.  Obama said we can create change, not that he alone can.  If he did then it would all be top-down and perpetuate the type of socio-governmental hierarchy that seems to be undermining our democracy.  &#8220;We, the people,&#8221; must lead this, and not just by asking  our elected officials to act.</p>
<p>Anyway, those are my thoughts.  Kinda long&#8230; maybe I should have just written a blog =)</p>
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		<title>By: Framing: &#8220;We&#8217;re going to solve it&#8221;&#8216; &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] also wanted to add an &#8216;afterword&#8217; on this extract, and support the sentiment of the recent post by Juliana Williams. She wrote: Hope is passive.  Hope is what you have when you have exhausted all other options.  [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] also wanted to add an &#8216;afterword&#8217; on this extract, and support the sentiment of the recent post by Juliana Williams. She wrote: Hope is passive.  Hope is what you have when you have exhausted all other options.  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/22/when-sarah-palin-is-right/#comment-87100</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I&#039;m right in between Adi and Juliana on this.  Whenever I doubt if all the work is really worth it, I remind myself that I don&#039;t honestly know one way or the other and that sliver of doubt (AKA hope) allows me to keep trying, just in case we can kick this thing.  But I contain that hope in myself.  I don&#039;t give it to politicians or businesses.  For those, I save my actions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m right in between Adi and Juliana on this.  Whenever I doubt if all the work is really worth it, I remind myself that I don&#8217;t honestly know one way or the other and that sliver of doubt (AKA hope) allows me to keep trying, just in case we can kick this thing.  But I contain that hope in myself.  I don&#8217;t give it to politicians or businesses.  For those, I save my actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Adi</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juliana I agree with the spirit of this post, but I have never bought the argument advanced by Derreck Jensen and others that hope and action are somehow separate things.  I think that&#039;s a false dichotomy -- why does hope have to be passive?  Hope can be a catalyst just as it can be a crutch, and it&#039;s our job as organizers to channel people&#039;s hopes and aspirations into action.  To cast hope as the province of those who are just sitting by idly, waiting for others to take care of things, does a profound disservice to all those (myself included) who are motivated to action out of the hope that we can come together and create a better future.  There are millions of unactivated people out there who are hoping for change.  Rather than bashing them for being hopeful and passive, we need to engage them where they&#039;re at and bring them into this movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juliana I agree with the spirit of this post, but I have never bought the argument advanced by Derreck Jensen and others that hope and action are somehow separate things.  I think that&#8217;s a false dichotomy &#8212; why does hope have to be passive?  Hope can be a catalyst just as it can be a crutch, and it&#8217;s our job as organizers to channel people&#8217;s hopes and aspirations into action.  To cast hope as the province of those who are just sitting by idly, waiting for others to take care of things, does a profound disservice to all those (myself included) who are motivated to action out of the hope that we can come together and create a better future.  There are millions of unactivated people out there who are hoping for change.  Rather than bashing them for being hopeful and passive, we need to engage them where they&#8217;re at and bring them into this movement.</p>
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		<title>By: Two Jailed Pro-Mountain Activists Stage Hunger Strike Against Excessive Bail &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 21:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: D.Veysey</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/02/22/when-sarah-palin-is-right/#comment-87093</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D.Veysey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My friend Juliana makes a great point. Whenever I need some activism empowerment I listen to &quot;With My Own Two Hands&quot; by Ben Harper. Hope has little to do with it. 

And for those who fear a resurgent right-wing led by Sarah Palin, just read Levi Johnston&#039;s essay in Vanity Fair. Palin&#039;s political career is over but it seems no one has told her that yet - the constant trainwreck spectacle is too appealing to the media. Not saying that US electoral politics have been successful recently on climate change, but the issue is not going to leave the public policy radar (pretty much no matter what).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My friend Juliana makes a great point. Whenever I need some activism empowerment I listen to &#8220;With My Own Two Hands&#8221; by Ben Harper. Hope has little to do with it. </p>
<p>And for those who fear a resurgent right-wing led by Sarah Palin, just read Levi Johnston&#8217;s essay in Vanity Fair. Palin&#8217;s political career is over but it seems no one has told her that yet &#8211; the constant trainwreck spectacle is too appealing to the media. Not saying that US electoral politics have been successful recently on climate change, but the issue is not going to leave the public policy radar (pretty much no matter what).</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 20:09:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on Scott! The fossil fuel empire wouldn&#039;t stand a chance if every person who opposed it in words did so with their bodies as well!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on Scott! The fossil fuel empire wouldn&#8217;t stand a chance if every person who opposed it in words did so with their bodies as well!</p>
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		<title>By: afrench</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 19:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[spot on Juliana!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>spot on Juliana!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s really cute how the climate deniers have found this site and are now trying to put some doubt about global warming out there.  Exxon and Chevron must pay them big bucks to surf, troll and spam.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really cute how the climate deniers have found this site and are now trying to put some doubt about global warming out there.  Exxon and Chevron must pay them big bucks to surf, troll and spam.</p>
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