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		<title>By: Welcoming Bin Ladin to the climate activist hit list &#124; Current Green Blog</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86466</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Welcoming Bin Ladin to the climate activist hit list &#124; Current Green Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] activists&#8221; list since his new claim has only given fuel to climate deniers, as discussed by Juliana Williams in  It&#8217;s getting Hot in Here:  His strategy is not to stop global warming, but rather to draw broader global support for his [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] activists&#8221; list since his new claim has only given fuel to climate deniers, as discussed by Juliana Williams in  It&#8217;s getting Hot in Here:  His strategy is not to stop global warming, but rather to draw broader global support for his [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Gorman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Gorman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 07:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juliana,

I agree with you generally.  Cheap energy has pulled (and will continue to pull) hundreds of millions from suffering, and so far it looks like clean energy will do that with more equity than the first industrial revolution.  But we also need a paradigm shift.  How many other unsustainable behaviors are tied to our energy use?  Say we found an energy source that was clean, free, perpetual and infinite.  What would the world look like with unlimited energy?  Here&#039;s a concrete example:

&quot;In the 1970s, technology and economic incentives led to more efficient home heating and insulation in America. What did we do with that ability? Use less energy? No. We built bigger houses.&quot; -Michael Nelson &amp; John Vucetich

So technology that could have saved energy, money and the environment instead led us to lose our sense of community, develop farmland into subdivisions, and consume more resources.  If we frame the clean energy future around peoples&#039; quality of life and health, I think the global warming &quot;debate&quot; is almost irrelevant.

Hope you&#039;re well,
-joe]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juliana,</p>
<p>I agree with you generally.  Cheap energy has pulled (and will continue to pull) hundreds of millions from suffering, and so far it looks like clean energy will do that with more equity than the first industrial revolution.  But we also need a paradigm shift.  How many other unsustainable behaviors are tied to our energy use?  Say we found an energy source that was clean, free, perpetual and infinite.  What would the world look like with unlimited energy?  Here&#8217;s a concrete example:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the 1970s, technology and economic incentives led to more efficient home heating and insulation in America. What did we do with that ability? Use less energy? No. We built bigger houses.&#8221; -Michael Nelson &amp; John Vucetich</p>
<p>So technology that could have saved energy, money and the environment instead led us to lose our sense of community, develop farmland into subdivisions, and consume more resources.  If we frame the clean energy future around peoples&#8217; quality of life and health, I think the global warming &#8220;debate&#8221; is almost irrelevant.</p>
<p>Hope you&#8217;re well,<br />
-joe</p>
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		<title>By: eggplantinspace</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eggplantinspace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 03:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely half of that is down to a lack of effort though. 
When you consider how the US turned into a war machine engine following Pearl Harbour, it truely is a wonder what can be done when a nation puts its mind to it.

Almost the whole of Africa is filled with cheap labour, cheap land and an abundance of heat, and yet no one seems to consider the idea of investment in solar energy there. Despite what it would do for those nations, despite the advantages to western nations reliant upon Oil. Im not saying this is the best solution but I am saying that there needs to be political will before anyone will even consider some of these ideas which to the layman seem so obvious.

In the US however, as we have just seen with further proof, following the courts decisions on allowing corporations even more opportunity to affect national feeling through a larger money spend on political issues, the Corporation is King. Politicians are running scared of corporations (how did we let that happen?), And the corporation appears not inerested in what the layman can see, or what the starving african needs to survive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely half of that is down to a lack of effort though.<br />
When you consider how the US turned into a war machine engine following Pearl Harbour, it truely is a wonder what can be done when a nation puts its mind to it.</p>
<p>Almost the whole of Africa is filled with cheap labour, cheap land and an abundance of heat, and yet no one seems to consider the idea of investment in solar energy there. Despite what it would do for those nations, despite the advantages to western nations reliant upon Oil. Im not saying this is the best solution but I am saying that there needs to be political will before anyone will even consider some of these ideas which to the layman seem so obvious.</p>
<p>In the US however, as we have just seen with further proof, following the courts decisions on allowing corporations even more opportunity to affect national feeling through a larger money spend on political issues, the Corporation is King. Politicians are running scared of corporations (how did we let that happen?), And the corporation appears not inerested in what the layman can see, or what the starving african needs to survive.</p>
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		<title>By: Thayne</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86402</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thayne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not make cars with smaller engines.  We are we sp consumed with speed.  Must arrive to the ariport in udner fifteen minutes....  Must speed... Must balsze a trail...  Etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not make cars with smaller engines.  We are we sp consumed with speed.  Must arrive to the ariport in udner fifteen minutes&#8230;.  Must speed&#8230; Must balsze a trail&#8230;  Etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bin Laden joins the Climate Debate, Deniers Rejoice &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bin Laden joins the Climate Debate, Deniers Rejoice &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bin Laden joins the Climate Debate, Deniers Rejoice &#171; The Dernogalizer</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Juliana Williams</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juliana Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt, you make a reasonable point.  There are massive problems with American consumption and ecological destruction, but we won&#039;t fix it by reverting back to subsistence living.  At the moment we don&#039;t have enough clean energy technology physically deployed to be able to quickly reduce American impact on the environment and contribution to climate change.  This means, we need to support and expand the growing clean energy economy.  Additionally, the quicker we end our dependence on foreign fuels (including oil and natural gas), the less the American government will be tempted to meddle in the affairs of other countries (in theory).  Making energy cheap, abundant and clean will go much farther in reducing human suffering around the world than shutting down the American economy.  bin Laden&#039;s &#039;strategy&#039; to stop global warming is entirely misguided and therefore I can&#039;t see his latest video as anything but a brilliant ploy to further hurt the United States.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, you make a reasonable point.  There are massive problems with American consumption and ecological destruction, but we won&#8217;t fix it by reverting back to subsistence living.  At the moment we don&#8217;t have enough clean energy technology physically deployed to be able to quickly reduce American impact on the environment and contribution to climate change.  This means, we need to support and expand the growing clean energy economy.  Additionally, the quicker we end our dependence on foreign fuels (including oil and natural gas), the less the American government will be tempted to meddle in the affairs of other countries (in theory).  Making energy cheap, abundant and clean will go much farther in reducing human suffering around the world than shutting down the American economy.  bin Laden&#8217;s &#8216;strategy&#8217; to stop global warming is entirely misguided and therefore I can&#8217;t see his latest video as anything but a brilliant ploy to further hurt the United States.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86376</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m no fan of bin Laden, but I would wager that about 99% of the global population would like to &quot;destroy America&#039;s global dominance&quot; as well. It is after all the #1 driver of human suffering and ecological destruction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no fan of bin Laden, but I would wager that about 99% of the global population would like to &#8220;destroy America&#8217;s global dominance&#8221; as well. It is after all the #1 driver of human suffering and ecological destruction.</p>
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		<title>By: bin Laden&#8217;s distorted world view and distorted view of climate change</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86367</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bin Laden&#8217;s distorted world view and distorted view of climate change]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Williams, bin Laden Hates Global Warming, Global Warming Hates Him, IGHIH [bin Laden&#039;s] strategy is not to stop global warming, but rather to draw broader global [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: eggplantinspace</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2010/01/30/bin-laden-hates-global-warming-global-warming-hates-him/#comment-86358</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[eggplantinspace]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah... I dont think Bin Laden&#039;s that fussed about climate change... Gut feeling !

After all he used planes in 9/11]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah&#8230; I dont think Bin Laden&#8217;s that fussed about climate change&#8230; Gut feeling !</p>
<p>After all he used planes in 9/11</p>
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