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	<title>Comments on: Why did Conservation International invite Thomas Friedman to go to Brazil?</title>
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		<title>By: Ted</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/11/17/why-did-conservation-international-invite-thomas-friedman-to-go-to-brazil/#comment-83018</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is not that Chris Lang writes for an &quot;insider-blog,&quot; but that he writes with a tone that confirms the biases of those &quot;insiders.&quot; I am not sure it makes anti-REDD activists more effective to deploy self-righteous insider phrases like &quot;CO2lonialism.&quot; There is a need to bring forests and natural systems front and center into the climate policy world. Assuming this can be done without using market mechanisms in some form is fantasy. Does that automatically mean neoliberal globalisation? No. Friedman&#039;s ideas are imperfect to say the least, and his glibness can be infuriating, but I don&#039;t question the sincerity of his goal -- forest protection -- or assume that he simply wants to wall off Brazilian rain forest so he can continue to fly first class without a troubled conscience. There are lots of political and communication strategies to advance forest protection in the climate debate, but assuming people who don&#039;t use your precise language must be your adversary and denigrating their arguments as &quot;gobbledygook&quot; is no recipe for effectiveness.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not that Chris Lang writes for an &#8220;insider-blog,&#8221; but that he writes with a tone that confirms the biases of those &#8220;insiders.&#8221; I am not sure it makes anti-REDD activists more effective to deploy self-righteous insider phrases like &#8220;CO2lonialism.&#8221; There is a need to bring forests and natural systems front and center into the climate policy world. Assuming this can be done without using market mechanisms in some form is fantasy. Does that automatically mean neoliberal globalisation? No. Friedman&#8217;s ideas are imperfect to say the least, and his glibness can be infuriating, but I don&#8217;t question the sincerity of his goal &#8212; forest protection &#8212; or assume that he simply wants to wall off Brazilian rain forest so he can continue to fly first class without a troubled conscience. There are lots of political and communication strategies to advance forest protection in the climate debate, but assuming people who don&#8217;t use your precise language must be your adversary and denigrating their arguments as &#8220;gobbledygook&#8221; is no recipe for effectiveness.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Kahn Russell</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joshua Kahn Russell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Ben, 

You&#039;re right that Lang&#039;s piece is a polemic and was not intending to offer its own path forward - though the blog he edits (REDD Monitor) is one based on analyzing REDD policy and often his other posts are solution-oriented. I respect Chris Lang a lot and think he plays an important role in the UN world around these issues. To be honest this piece was much more of an internal-movement venting piece. It wasnt trying to be anything else. Its readership is for folks frustrated with the popular mis-framing of critical issues, particularly around markets. 

In general, I do agree with you that elevating the connection between forests and climate is a good thing, and the more it can get out there, the better. 

But people like Friedman who have such huge reach and influence also have a responsibility that comes along with the size of their megaphone. 

The role of a critic like Lang is simply a different role than one of Friedman, so comparing the pieces doesn&#039;t compute as much for me. If Chris were writing for the New York Times, rather than an insider-blog, he would probably be writing different things. I think there is a role for people connected to impacted communities and social-movement bases to shine a light on the misrepresentation that happens among folks who do have a voice in the mainstream. And while this may seem mean-spirited, it is coming from a legitimate place of frustration of groups of people who have been tirelessly working on this issue for years and seeing our future crumble before our eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Ben, </p>
<p>You&#8217;re right that Lang&#8217;s piece is a polemic and was not intending to offer its own path forward &#8211; though the blog he edits (REDD Monitor) is one based on analyzing REDD policy and often his other posts are solution-oriented. I respect Chris Lang a lot and think he plays an important role in the UN world around these issues. To be honest this piece was much more of an internal-movement venting piece. It wasnt trying to be anything else. Its readership is for folks frustrated with the popular mis-framing of critical issues, particularly around markets. </p>
<p>In general, I do agree with you that elevating the connection between forests and climate is a good thing, and the more it can get out there, the better. </p>
<p>But people like Friedman who have such huge reach and influence also have a responsibility that comes along with the size of their megaphone. </p>
<p>The role of a critic like Lang is simply a different role than one of Friedman, so comparing the pieces doesn&#8217;t compute as much for me. If Chris were writing for the New York Times, rather than an insider-blog, he would probably be writing different things. I think there is a role for people connected to impacted communities and social-movement bases to shine a light on the misrepresentation that happens among folks who do have a voice in the mainstream. And while this may seem mean-spirited, it is coming from a legitimate place of frustration of groups of people who have been tirelessly working on this issue for years and seeing our future crumble before our eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Wessel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Wessel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think this is an incredibly unhelpful piece of writing.

Like Friedman&#039;s column, it also &quot;doesn’t explain how “we” are supposed to influence the U.S. energy-climate bill or the UN climate negotiations in Copenhagen. Or what “we” are supposed to do to “save” the 38 per cent of the Brazilian Amazon that is “still up for grabs”.&quot; In fact, all it does is ridicule and lament someone&#039;s choice of words.

I agree, it&#039;s troubling that people take long flights all the time. But i think it&#039;s a pretty big stretch to say that &quot;On planet Friedman, as long as the “vast and endless carpet of broccoli” is still there, there’s no need to “transform the world’s transportation fleet so it is emission-free”. And on planet Friedman there’s no meaningful discussion of the issues involved.&quot; The man has written whole books that are meaningful discussions of the issues involved.

At least someone in the nation&#039;s biggest paper is writing abt tropical deforestation, isnt that a victory?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an incredibly unhelpful piece of writing.</p>
<p>Like Friedman&#8217;s column, it also &#8220;doesn’t explain how “we” are supposed to influence the U.S. energy-climate bill or the UN climate negotiations in Copenhagen. Or what “we” are supposed to do to “save” the 38 per cent of the Brazilian Amazon that is “still up for grabs”.&#8221; In fact, all it does is ridicule and lament someone&#8217;s choice of words.</p>
<p>I agree, it&#8217;s troubling that people take long flights all the time. But i think it&#8217;s a pretty big stretch to say that &#8220;On planet Friedman, as long as the “vast and endless carpet of broccoli” is still there, there’s no need to “transform the world’s transportation fleet so it is emission-free”. And on planet Friedman there’s no meaningful discussion of the issues involved.&#8221; The man has written whole books that are meaningful discussions of the issues involved.</p>
<p>At least someone in the nation&#8217;s biggest paper is writing abt tropical deforestation, isnt that a victory?</p>
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		<title>By: adamwelz</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 12:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Friedman&#039;s wife is some or other board member/bigwig at Conservation International. He really is running short of original (and comprehensible) ideas -- he&#039;s so far behind the curve I&#039;m amazed the NYT keeps him on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Friedman&#8217;s wife is some or other board member/bigwig at Conservation International. He really is running short of original (and comprehensible) ideas &#8212; he&#8217;s so far behind the curve I&#8217;m amazed the NYT keeps him on.</p>
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