Comments on: Climate Justice Activists Interrupt Danish Minister to deliver “US Climate Bill” in Advance of Copenhagen Negotiations http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Sun, 06 May 2012 08:12:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Copenhagen Global Observatory » Fazer o que é correto http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81622 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:36:50 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81622 [...] ontem e está é cobertura nos blogs: (em inglês) – Danish minister confident of climate deal – Climate Justice Activists Interrupt Danish Minister to deliver “US Climate Bill” in Advance of C… – Breaking: President Nasheed Calls for 350 Action on October 24! – Women activists and Climate [...]

]]> By: Maggie Zhou http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81454 Sat, 26 Sep 2009 02:34:56 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81454 Peter Wood,

The alternative you asked about in place of cap-and-trade, is revenue-neutral carbon tax-dividend (or fee-bate). Most of the revenue from a simple, straightforward carbon tax, charged upstream at the source of fuel production or importation, not downstream at the messy emission end (such as in the US climate bill Waxman-Markey), must be returned to consumers in equal shares, not coupled to individual’s carbon consumption. This compensates for the rising costs of living due to carbon tax, while encouraging consumer choice of less carbon intensive goods and services. Low income households will generally come out ahead, as income is positively correlated with carbon footprint. This also ensures public support of the measure. A revenue-neutral carbon tax-swap will also work, by charging carbon tax, but reducing income tax. Al Gore once called it “tax what you burn, not what you earn”. He has lost his mind when he threw his support over this counter-productive cap-and-trade bill. Read more here: securegreenfuture.org

]]> By: Captain Frank http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81436 Fri, 25 Sep 2009 03:10:34 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81436 OPINION:

This is about setting a price on emissions (pollutants) accurately, in order to stimulate investment in Clean / Green / Eco-friendly products. As it stands, without these types of policies (i.e., ACESA), it unduly satisfies continued investments in technologies which add to the GHG causing pollutant industries.

As a small fish in the sea of investors / developers, I see this as a great opportunity to achieve entry into a scalable market (market without high barriers caused by artificially low price of GHG pollutants). In short, I support ACESA, as it makes our lives more predictable, or in simpler terms, it is LEGALLY supported.

The problems which arise from voluntary markets, what currently exists in the US, is that the meat of the bone is so thin, and the price of carbon remains low in real terms, making it more difficult to compete against the BIG MONEY (BIG FISH).

Peace, Captain Frank

]]> By: Meme Mine http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81432 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 19:41:21 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81432 PETER WOOD:
An “alternative” to what? Climate change is a solution itself looking for a problem. You fear mongering warmies are not welcome in the realms of responsibel environmentalism and I promise history will judge you as all political brain washed Greenzis.
Stop scaring my kids and get ahead of the curve so we can work together to respect our world, preserve our world and protect our environment.
Why do you warm mongers work so hard at having such faith in this failed CO2 theory (not pollution) and why do you warmies wish for this misery? It’s sick!
Just stop it and don’t expect the next generation to like having this death threat of climate change for another 23 years hanging over their heads. There is serious talk of organizing common people (not your evil republicans) and responsible environmentalists to have Al Gore charged with treason for leading us to war against a non existent enemy of climate change. Playing the fear game is not sustainable and history will unfortunatly curse us all, believer adn denier alike.
Real rebels and activists don’t motivate with fear and prey on our children with fear by telling them that we have to SAVE the world for THEM. How dare you!
Correlation and precaution are the pillars of climate policy and you global dooming sheeples can’t see the wide spread debate among real scientists, not just your spineless paid consultants posing in lab coats and calling themselves scientists. And please it’s getting a little tired so spare us the “OH sanctified scientist” dogma because these “scientists” are the same scientists that polluted your poor little helpless 5 billion year old planet with all of their evil CHEMICALS in the first place according to the Greenzis.

Carl Sagon predicted a nuclear winter from the first Gulf War oil fires…….oops?
The UN has allowed Carbon Trading to trump 3rd World Education, clean water and starvation rescue. Nice job UN. Nice job CO2 believers. Is this Greenzi 1939 all over again?
God help us from this new WMD scam called globull warm mongering.

]]> By: Copenhagen Global Observatory » Hacer lo correcto http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81429 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:40:42 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81429 [...] ayer y esta es la cobertura en blogs: (en inglés) – Danish minister confident of climate deal – Climate Justice Activists Interrupt Danish Minister to deliver “US Climate Bill” in Advance of C… – Breaking: President Nasheed Calls for 350 Action on October 24! – Women activists and Climate [...]

]]> By: Copenhagen Global Observatory » Doing the right thing http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81426 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:29:24 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81426 [...] happened yesterday and this is the coverage in blogs: – Danish minister confident of climate deal – Climate Justice Activists Interrupt Danish Minister to deliver “US Climate Bill” in Advance of C… – Breaking: President Nasheed Calls for 350 Action on October 24! – Women activists and Climate [...]

]]> By: matt http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81425 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 14:26:34 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81425 Well usually when something is deemed bad in this society a law is passed against it, with legal penalties, ranging from fines to jail time. If you break into a house you go to jail for breaking and entering. Would it not be logical that if you were to commit the crime of emitting greenhouse gases that you would go to jail, instead of being able to buy your way out of it. The EPA currently has the authority to regulate ghg’s and create penalties. Instead doing straightforward regulation for ghg’s like any other type of pollution, or crime, they want to create complex markets so that people can buy there ways out of actually reducing emissions. This is utterly insane. Carbon markets have proven totally ineffective in regulating emissions.

Is it really that crazy to ask for straight forward laws that ban emissions rather than trying to solve the problem through free market mechanisms? Can you imagine if this same logic was applied to other laws in this country like murder, theft, poisons in our food?

]]> By: Peter Wood http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81421 Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:00:07 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81421 So what do you propose as an alternative? The points made by these so called “environmental activists” sound just like many of the comments the Republicans in the U.S. Senate have been making. Without a price on greenhouse gas emissions, how do you propose to transform the U.S. economy to an economy with far less greenhouse gas pollution?

]]> By: Meme Mine http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81417 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:49:35 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81417 The UN has allowed Carbon Trading to trump 3rd World Education, clean water and starvation rescue. Nice job UN. Nice job you oh so daring guerilla rebels.

]]> By: Scott http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/09/23/climate-justice-activists-interrupt-danish-minister-to-deliver-%e2%80%9cus-climate-bill%e2%80%9d-in-advance-of-copenhagen-negotiations/#comment-81415 Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:14:05 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=13229#comment-81415 ARRRRGGHHHH way to go Cap’n Trade… guerilla actions like this are a great way to go. now we just need a resurgence of the Biotic Baking Brigade.

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