Comments on: A Different Tone for Action Factory with Tent City Action http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/08/19/a-different-tone-for-action-factory-with-tent-city-action/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Sat, 20 Mar 2010 06:05:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: tuttle tuttle http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/08/19/a-different-tone-for-action-factory-with-tent-city-action/#comment-80585 tuttle tuttle Thu, 20 Aug 2009 04:31:52 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=12539#comment-80585 yeah, matt m, cuz democrats and republicans are the only "realist"ic choices right? i second the first matt, as do many many others who's eyes are open to the actual reality of the current surreally disastrous state of the planet. yeah, matt m, cuz democrats and republicans are the only “realist”ic choices right?

i second the first matt, as do many many others who’s eyes are open to the actual reality of the current surreally disastrous state of the planet.

]]> By: Matt Maiorana http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/08/19/a-different-tone-for-action-factory-with-tent-city-action/#comment-80580 Matt Maiorana Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:11:48 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=12539#comment-80580 I agree, we need Obama and Congress to be stronger on climate - but that's only going to happen through massive public pressure, not by the US stepping out of the picture. From a political realist perspective, we need Obama, faults and all. (He is a heck of a lot better than what the republicans have to offer.) We need Obama to engage on this issue because we need climate legislation in the United States. We've done nothing for the last 20 years and we are out of time. I agree, we need Obama and Congress to be stronger on climate – but that’s only going to happen through massive public pressure, not by the US stepping out of the picture.

From a political realist perspective, we need Obama, faults and all. (He is a heck of a lot better than what the republicans have to offer.) We need Obama to engage on this issue because we need climate legislation in the United States. We’ve done nothing for the last 20 years and we are out of time.

]]> By: Julie http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/08/19/a-different-tone-for-action-factory-with-tent-city-action/#comment-80579 Julie Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:22:20 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=12539#comment-80579 Matt - you raise a good point about Obama not being nearly the leader we need him to be on climate thus far and we of course wouldn't want him to go to Copenhagen to make a deal any weaker than what's already on the table. We do believe however that given his charisma, clout, and international popularity that Obama's presence in Copenhagen would dramatically raise the stakes and behoove his UN colleagues to be more bold. It would likely motivate other world leaders to attend and would probably be the next best thing after solid US legislation to show that the US is serious about getting a good and fair deal. Leaders from developed countries in attendance would have to look the delegations from developing and especially vulnerable countries squarely in the face and speak about their responsibility for fixing the problems they've caused and providing aid to those who have been and will be impacted. We think that on the international stage, Obama's presence could catalyze a more productive Copenhagen summit despite his shortcomings on climate at home. -Julie Matt – you raise a good point about Obama not being nearly the leader we need him to be on climate thus far and we of course wouldn’t want him to go to Copenhagen to make a deal any weaker than what’s already on the table. We do believe however that given his charisma, clout, and international popularity that Obama’s presence in Copenhagen would dramatically raise the stakes and behoove his UN colleagues to be more bold. It would likely motivate other world leaders to attend and would probably be the next best thing after solid US legislation to show that the US is serious about getting a good and fair deal. Leaders from developed countries in attendance would have to look the delegations from developing and especially vulnerable countries squarely in the face and speak about their responsibility for fixing the problems they’ve caused and providing aid to those who have been and will be impacted. We think that on the international stage, Obama’s presence could catalyze a more productive Copenhagen summit despite his shortcomings on climate at home.

-Julie

]]> By: matt http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/08/19/a-different-tone-for-action-factory-with-tent-city-action/#comment-80578 matt Wed, 19 Aug 2009 17:03:36 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=12539#comment-80578 Considering the US's historical role in sidelining climate negotiations, starting with Democratic President Bill Clinton. And considering Obama's incredibly weak stances on fossil fuel extraction (see how he's totally pandered to the coal industry when it comes to CCS and MTR) and climate policy in general (he' a big supporter of ACES even though it would only reduce emissions by 1% for 1990 levels), what makes you think its a good idea to send him to Copenhagen? It seems to me, that rather than lead, the US needs to get the hell out of the way and quit holding the world hostage so it can get its way (which is the way of big business). just my two cents. thanks Considering the US’s historical role in sidelining climate negotiations, starting with Democratic President Bill Clinton. And considering Obama’s incredibly weak stances on fossil fuel extraction (see how he’s totally pandered to the coal industry when it comes to CCS and MTR) and climate policy in general (he’ a big supporter of ACES even though it would only reduce emissions by 1% for 1990 levels), what makes you think its a good idea to send him to Copenhagen? It seems to me, that rather than lead, the US needs to get the hell out of the way and quit holding the world hostage so it can get its way (which is the way of big business). just my two cents. thanks

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