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	<title>Comments on: Unity over Divisiveness: Generational Approaches to the Climate Crisis</title>
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		<title>By: Jean Sireyjol</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80112</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jean Sireyjol]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 12:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From France, just to tell you that I agree with your point of view that Joe Romm may be wrong when he gets angry against people in the BreakThrough Institute. The anger comes from his opposition to a carbon tax (also promoted by Jim Hansen), which I also think is the best way to drive our sociéty toward a low carbon economy and way of living.
Our (french) association TACA (http://taca.asso-web.com/index.php) is trying to mobilise people for Copenhague. We are linked with 350.org, we will act on october 24th and would like to know how we could act together for Copenhague in december.
Please visit our web site and contact us at jsireyjol@yahoo.fr]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From France, just to tell you that I agree with your point of view that Joe Romm may be wrong when he gets angry against people in the BreakThrough Institute. The anger comes from his opposition to a carbon tax (also promoted by Jim Hansen), which I also think is the best way to drive our sociéty toward a low carbon economy and way of living.<br />
Our (french) association TACA (<a href="http://taca.asso-web.com/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://taca.asso-web.com/index.php</a>) is trying to mobilise people for Copenhague. We are linked with 350.org, we will act on october 24th and would like to know how we could act together for Copenhague in december.<br />
Please visit our web site and contact us at <a href="mailto:jsireyjol@yahoo.fr">jsireyjol@yahoo.fr</a></p>
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		<title>By: Madeline Kovacs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Madeline Kovacs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 17:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you, especially for reminding us all of the wonderful results that emphasizing solutions can have, both for inspiring even more youth to take action, and presenting a positive message to both environmental organizations and mainstream media. 

In addition, I believe that much of the stalling on climate change can be attributed a bit to the tendency to wait for the &quot;perfect plan&quot; by experts, when in fact this problem will require action on many levels, incorporating many regional, local, and national strategies. 

For me, one of the best parts of the organizing that youth do is offering a different model for coordination of diverse actors withing a movement, showing a united front on the big stuff. Kudos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, especially for reminding us all of the wonderful results that emphasizing solutions can have, both for inspiring even more youth to take action, and presenting a positive message to both environmental organizations and mainstream media. </p>
<p>In addition, I believe that much of the stalling on climate change can be attributed a bit to the tendency to wait for the &#8220;perfect plan&#8221; by experts, when in fact this problem will require action on many levels, incorporating many regional, local, and national strategies. </p>
<p>For me, one of the best parts of the organizing that youth do is offering a different model for coordination of diverse actors withing a movement, showing a united front on the big stuff. Kudos.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jenna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, the problem is, Energy Action Coalition has had not had a positive approach to Waxman-Markey nearly from the beginning, and Jessy&#039; statements in the NY Times are pretty damning. If her statements were taken out of context, the onus is on her to bring that to light. 

Saying that youth are going to attack Dem leadership who &quot;helped weaken the bill&quot; and threatening to leverage perceived voter power against them is troubling, and for multiple reasons. Single issue voters, anyone? Moreover, quite frankly, the youth vote was only part of what helped usher in the Democratic Revolution this past November. And last time I checked, Jessy Tolkan doesn&#039;t speak for the entire youth movement. I don&#039;t think we do have any one person who does.

As a professional organizer, I&#039;ve seen a few simple truths come out of the leadup to the House vote. First, climate activists weren&#039;t as active as they could have been in support of this bill. We didn&#039;t have the numbers to bring more votes on board, or really, truly strengthen the bill. Now that the vote has passed, how many folks are doing post-vote thank you&#039;s or accountability outreach? Phone calls, letters to the editor? Senate offices are now hearing 100 to 200 calls PER DAY in opposition to the bill. 

A major failing of groups like EAC was telling people that the bill wasn&#039;t good enough, and allowing folks to become disillusioned, unmotivated, or willing to believe that we&#039;ll have a better option in the near future. Waxman-Markey isn&#039;t perfect, but the way politics are now, we wouldn&#039;t have been able to pass a significantly stronger bill. Most of the organizations who are actively working FOR the bill are also laying the ground work for strengthening legislation in the future.

That&#039;s not EAC&#039;s strategy. That&#039;s not Breakthrough&#039;s Strategy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, the problem is, Energy Action Coalition has had not had a positive approach to Waxman-Markey nearly from the beginning, and Jessy&#8217; statements in the NY Times are pretty damning. If her statements were taken out of context, the onus is on her to bring that to light. </p>
<p>Saying that youth are going to attack Dem leadership who &#8220;helped weaken the bill&#8221; and threatening to leverage perceived voter power against them is troubling, and for multiple reasons. Single issue voters, anyone? Moreover, quite frankly, the youth vote was only part of what helped usher in the Democratic Revolution this past November. And last time I checked, Jessy Tolkan doesn&#8217;t speak for the entire youth movement. I don&#8217;t think we do have any one person who does.</p>
<p>As a professional organizer, I&#8217;ve seen a few simple truths come out of the leadup to the House vote. First, climate activists weren&#8217;t as active as they could have been in support of this bill. We didn&#8217;t have the numbers to bring more votes on board, or really, truly strengthen the bill. Now that the vote has passed, how many folks are doing post-vote thank you&#8217;s or accountability outreach? Phone calls, letters to the editor? Senate offices are now hearing 100 to 200 calls PER DAY in opposition to the bill. </p>
<p>A major failing of groups like EAC was telling people that the bill wasn&#8217;t good enough, and allowing folks to become disillusioned, unmotivated, or willing to believe that we&#8217;ll have a better option in the near future. Waxman-Markey isn&#8217;t perfect, but the way politics are now, we wouldn&#8217;t have been able to pass a significantly stronger bill. Most of the organizations who are actively working FOR the bill are also laying the ground work for strengthening legislation in the future.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not EAC&#8217;s strategy. That&#8217;s not Breakthrough&#8217;s Strategy.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Altemose</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80037</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Craig Altemose]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 04:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard,

This is a great post, and Joe was really off when he attacked Jessy, Jesse, and IGHIH.

You are definitely correct that our greatest strength is our diversity, and this blog definitely serves to strengthen that.

However, I am not confident that other part of your post, the unity component, is as necessary.

I think the diversity that shines through on this blog is also necessary in our broader movement.  We need people working &#039;on the inside,&#039; and people pushing hard &#039;on the outside.&#039;

That necessary diversity and balance was largely forgotten in the push for W-M.  It seemed like almost everyone wanted to play the &#039;inside&#039; role.  The coal industry is divided among those who publicly say they want the bill to die, and those who publicly support it, but all are quietly celebrating how weak it has become.

I think the broader climate movement could learn more from that example.  And even the youth movement could too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>This is a great post, and Joe was really off when he attacked Jessy, Jesse, and IGHIH.</p>
<p>You are definitely correct that our greatest strength is our diversity, and this blog definitely serves to strengthen that.</p>
<p>However, I am not confident that other part of your post, the unity component, is as necessary.</p>
<p>I think the diversity that shines through on this blog is also necessary in our broader movement.  We need people working &#8216;on the inside,&#8217; and people pushing hard &#8216;on the outside.&#8217;</p>
<p>That necessary diversity and balance was largely forgotten in the push for W-M.  It seemed like almost everyone wanted to play the &#8216;inside&#8217; role.  The coal industry is divided among those who publicly say they want the bill to die, and those who publicly support it, but all are quietly celebrating how weak it has become.</p>
<p>I think the broader climate movement could learn more from that example.  And even the youth movement could too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominic M</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80026</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dominic M]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 02:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for saying what needed to be said, Richard!  Onward!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for saying what needed to be said, Richard!  Onward!!</p>
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		<title>By: Doug P.</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 00:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great post.  Very timely.  Thanks!  I am very distressed by attacks on the youth movement appearing frequently on Joe&#039;s blog.  They are not necessarily by him, but by those who choose to reply to his posts.  He does make references recently to parts of the youth movement being taken over by anti-environmentalists.  It was kind of out of right field, but hopefully you have set this all straight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great post.  Very timely.  Thanks!  I am very distressed by attacks on the youth movement appearing frequently on Joe&#8217;s blog.  They are not necessarily by him, but by those who choose to reply to his posts.  He does make references recently to parts of the youth movement being taken over by anti-environmentalists.  It was kind of out of right field, but hopefully you have set this all straight.</p>
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		<title>By: Christine Irvine</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80006</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christine Irvine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Richard, thanks for your post!  That’s a really amazing photo at the top of the page… who took it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Richard, thanks for your post!  That’s a really amazing photo at the top of the page… who took it?</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Morgan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Richard for a great post.  The arguments can be useful, but the mud-slinging rarely gets us anywhere except to play into the hands of the worst partisan conservatives.  

The blog-sphere is for ideas and news.  The real world is for action, which is what people should look at when they want to know where the youth movement and Energy Action stand.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard for a great post.  The arguments can be useful, but the mud-slinging rarely gets us anywhere except to play into the hands of the worst partisan conservatives.  </p>
<p>The blog-sphere is for ideas and news.  The real world is for action, which is what people should look at when they want to know where the youth movement and Energy Action stand.</p>
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		<title>By: e</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80003</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[e]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Damn right. Romm is on point a lot of the time but I find his intolerance for dissent within the the blogo-ranks troubling. We need to broaden our appeal, not narrow it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn right. Romm is on point a lot of the time but I find his intolerance for dissent within the the blogo-ranks troubling. We need to broaden our appeal, not narrow it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/14/unity-over-divisiveness-generational-approaches-to-the-climate-crisis/#comment-80001</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 14:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very well said, Richard.  Romm is at his weakest when he wastes his time &quot;feuding&quot; with others--and his criticisms of IGHIH were ill-informed and bullheaded.  Keep up the good work over here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said, Richard.  Romm is at his weakest when he wastes his time &#8220;feuding&#8221; with others&#8211;and his criticisms of IGHIH were ill-informed and bullheaded.  Keep up the good work over here!</p>
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