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	<title>Comments on: Greenpeace banner on Mt Rushmore, and FIVE coal plants occupied in Italy.</title>
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		<title>By: spittlebug</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/10/greenpeace-banner-on-mt-rushmore-and-five-coal-plants-occupied-in-italy/#comment-80032</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I appreciate Tupac&#039;s critique of this action. I agree that with actions in general, and especially with actions that are mostly about publicity, we need to start finding ways to build our own narratives, rather than simply using the pre-existing narratives of the state that are often (like this one) built on racism and oppression. I think we have the ability to be more creative than this. 

Also I have to say that I feel it&#039;s pretty disturbing that commenters after Tupac (unitl John) seemed to have decided to pretend Tupac&#039;s critique didn&#039;t exist.

And to John: what the hell are you talking about? Tupac doesn&#039;t mention any specific indigenous groups in their post, and is critiquing the narrative that actions like this create.

So I don&#039;t exactly get what you&#039;re trying to say by accusing Tupac of idealizing any indigenous groups (an accusation that seems to have no basis in anything Tupac said in their post). The only way that your post makes sense to me is if you&#039;re trying to say that it doesn&#039;t matter that the land mt.rushmore is built on was stolen because &quot;hey those other people weren&#039;t perfect either&quot;. And that I would say is a pretty weak and morally indefensible argument - maybe that&#039;s why you weren&#039;t more clear about what you were saying.

So there you go, someone brings up a critique involving racism and 9 out of 10 pretend they didn&#039;t hear anything while the 10th person goes off on a racist ramble. Sounds like a bad joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate Tupac&#8217;s critique of this action. I agree that with actions in general, and especially with actions that are mostly about publicity, we need to start finding ways to build our own narratives, rather than simply using the pre-existing narratives of the state that are often (like this one) built on racism and oppression. I think we have the ability to be more creative than this. </p>
<p>Also I have to say that I feel it&#8217;s pretty disturbing that commenters after Tupac (unitl John) seemed to have decided to pretend Tupac&#8217;s critique didn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>And to John: what the hell are you talking about? Tupac doesn&#8217;t mention any specific indigenous groups in their post, and is critiquing the narrative that actions like this create.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t exactly get what you&#8217;re trying to say by accusing Tupac of idealizing any indigenous groups (an accusation that seems to have no basis in anything Tupac said in their post). The only way that your post makes sense to me is if you&#8217;re trying to say that it doesn&#8217;t matter that the land mt.rushmore is built on was stolen because &#8220;hey those other people weren&#8217;t perfect either&#8221;. And that I would say is a pretty weak and morally indefensible argument &#8211; maybe that&#8217;s why you weren&#8217;t more clear about what you were saying.</p>
<p>So there you go, someone brings up a critique involving racism and 9 out of 10 pretend they didn&#8217;t hear anything while the 10th person goes off on a racist ramble. Sounds like a bad joke.</p>
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		<title>By: john Gaultq</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john Gaultq]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 02:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tupac: The Arikaras were decimated by the Lakota in this area long before the White Man came along.  They were not necessarily nice peace-loving vegans and were quite territorial. Other civilizations were there prior to the Arikaras and vanished. It may behoove your discussion to approach history objectively and not  subjectively to further your cause. 

But then, again, this board is censored so you will not see this message.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tupac: The Arikaras were decimated by the Lakota in this area long before the White Man came along.  They were not necessarily nice peace-loving vegans and were quite territorial. Other civilizations were there prior to the Arikaras and vanished. It may behoove your discussion to approach history objectively and not  subjectively to further your cause. </p>
<p>But then, again, this board is censored so you will not see this message.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Graves</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/10/greenpeace-banner-on-mt-rushmore-and-five-coal-plants-occupied-in-italy/#comment-79999</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Graves]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His beef is with Breakthrough, currently we feature some of the fellows and youth staff as writers and editors. I find them honestly engaged in working on solutions. Joe disagrees.

His attack is over the top and both misreads what Jessy Tolkan said and Jesse&#039;s role at It&#039;s Getting Hot in Here.

Sure wish we had some funding for dedicated staff for this site.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His beef is with Breakthrough, currently we feature some of the fellows and youth staff as writers and editors. I find them honestly engaged in working on solutions. Joe disagrees.</p>
<p>His attack is over the top and both misreads what Jessy Tolkan said and Jesse&#8217;s role at It&#8217;s Getting Hot in Here.</p>
<p>Sure wish we had some funding for dedicated staff for this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Nunya Asunta</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nunya Asunta]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nick, I am disappointed to see your reference to Romm&#039;s divisive blog entry on ClimateProgress.org.  His post is decidedly anti-youth, a consistent theme it seems on his blog and among the commenters that seem to frequent his site.  ACES needs strengthening, it is our job to push for the strongest bill possible.  Romm is a habitual enabler.  I still can&#039;t seem to figure out what the beef is with the youth movement on that blog...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, I am disappointed to see your reference to Romm&#8217;s divisive blog entry on ClimateProgress.org.  His post is decidedly anti-youth, a consistent theme it seems on his blog and among the commenters that seem to frequent his site.  ACES needs strengthening, it is our job to push for the strongest bill possible.  Romm is a habitual enabler.  I still can&#8217;t seem to figure out what the beef is with the youth movement on that blog&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 22:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If this counterproductive shortsightedness continues I will be too ashamed to wear my getting-hot-in-here T-shirt.  

http://www.google.com/gwt/n?u=http%3A%2F%2Fclimateprogress.org%2F2009%2F07%2F12%2Fhow-sharper-than-a-serpents-tooth-energy-action-coalition-its-getting-hot-in-here-the-breakthrough-institutes-anti-climate-disinformation%2F%23more-9033#more-9033]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this counterproductive shortsightedness continues I will be too ashamed to wear my getting-hot-in-here T-shirt.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/gwt/n?u=http%3A%2F%2Fclimateprogress.org%2F2009%2F07%2F12%2Fhow-sharper-than-a-serpents-tooth-energy-action-coalition-its-getting-hot-in-here-the-breakthrough-institutes-anti-climate-disinformation%2F%23more-9033#more-9033" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/gwt/n?u=http%3A%2F%2Fclimateprogress.org%2F2009%2F07%2F12%2Fhow-sharper-than-a-serpents-tooth-energy-action-coalition-its-getting-hot-in-here-the-breakthrough-institutes-anti-climate-disinformation%2F%23more-9033#more-9033</a></p>
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		<title>By: bayoudog</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/10/greenpeace-banner-on-mt-rushmore-and-five-coal-plants-occupied-in-italy/#comment-79962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bayoudog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 22:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great post, Matt, great action, great clarity on the issue - right on. Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post, Matt, great action, great clarity on the issue &#8211; right on. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah  Tuttle</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/10/greenpeace-banner-on-mt-rushmore-and-five-coal-plants-occupied-in-italy/#comment-79956</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sarah  Tuttle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I saw a picture of your group on Yahoo.com, and then on the BBC website. I am so glad to see the attention you drew. I was also very glad to see that you used already existing metal stakes to hang the banner. Great job bringing global attention to a global issue while taking care not to harm the monument. It&#039;s things like this that help undo some of the negative PR that Greenpeace has gained.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw a picture of your group on Yahoo.com, and then on the BBC website. I am so glad to see the attention you drew. I was also very glad to see that you used already existing metal stakes to hang the banner. Great job bringing global attention to a global issue while taking care not to harm the monument. It&#8217;s things like this that help undo some of the negative PR that Greenpeace has gained.</p>
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		<title>By: Tupac Amaru</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tupac Amaru]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please take this as a friendly critique:

The use of &quot;America&quot; to refer the United States, combined with capitalizing on the image of Mt. Rushmore as a monument to great leaders, reinforces a destructive narrative that places white U.S. citizens at the center of the world.

&quot;Mt Rushmore&quot; is a desecration that was carved out of stolen, sacred native land. &quot;America,&quot; rather than being the name of the United States, more properly refers to a vast continent (or two, if you prefer) containing 35 countries with people from hundreds of indigenous and non-indigenous ethnic groups speaking dozens of languages.

Look, I know this might seem like a minor quibble, but ultimately actions like this further serve to enshrine a narrative that simply disappears the peoples of 34 countries and the indigenous peoples of this one. Just something to keep in mind for next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please take this as a friendly critique:</p>
<p>The use of &#8220;America&#8221; to refer the United States, combined with capitalizing on the image of Mt. Rushmore as a monument to great leaders, reinforces a destructive narrative that places white U.S. citizens at the center of the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mt Rushmore&#8221; is a desecration that was carved out of stolen, sacred native land. &#8220;America,&#8221; rather than being the name of the United States, more properly refers to a vast continent (or two, if you prefer) containing 35 countries with people from hundreds of indigenous and non-indigenous ethnic groups speaking dozens of languages.</p>
<p>Look, I know this might seem like a minor quibble, but ultimately actions like this further serve to enshrine a narrative that simply disappears the peoples of 34 countries and the indigenous peoples of this one. Just something to keep in mind for next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Greenpeace scales Mt. Rushmore, Unveils Global Warming Banner Directed at President Obama &#124; ParkHowell.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greenpeace scales Mt. Rushmore, Unveils Global Warming Banner Directed at President Obama &#124; ParkHowell.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of Lincoln&#8217;s noggin on Mount Rushmore. According to the proudly arrested Matt Leonard on his blog, they&#8230; &#8220;&#8230;hung this banner on the opening day of the G8 meetings in Italy, and [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of Lincoln&#8217;s noggin on Mount Rushmore. According to the proudly arrested Matt Leonard on his blog, they&#8230; &#8220;&#8230;hung this banner on the opening day of the G8 meetings in Italy, and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt  Dernoga</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/10/greenpeace-banner-on-mt-rushmore-and-five-coal-plants-occupied-in-italy/#comment-79948</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt  Dernoga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent media draw!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent media draw!</p>
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