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	<title>Comments on: Fighting Liquefied Natural Gas, From Oregon to Peru</title>
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		<title>By: Hey, Northwest Natural &#8211; LNG&#8217;s a Climate Crime! &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/06/fighting-liquefied-natural-gas-from-oregon-to-peru/#comment-82746</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey, Northwest Natural &#8211; LNG&#8217;s a Climate Crime! &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 21:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] region.  LNG is a foreign fossil fuel extracted from through basically the same processes as oil, with all or most of the attendant social and environmental costs.  Thanks to the energy-intensive process of supercooling the gas into liquid form so it can be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] region.  LNG is a foreign fossil fuel extracted from through basically the same processes as oil, with all or most of the attendant social and environmental costs.  Thanks to the energy-intensive process of supercooling the gas into liquid form so it can be [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rainforests for Social Justice &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/06/fighting-liquefied-natural-gas-from-oregon-to-peru/#comment-80437</link>
		<dc:creator>Rainforests for Social Justice &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I published while writing from Iquitos, Peru, earlier this summer (you can see those shorter pieces here, here, and here).  I know it&#8217;s long for a blog post, but to those concerned about the fate [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I published while writing from Iquitos, Peru, earlier this summer (you can see those shorter pieces here, here, and here).  I know it&#8217;s long for a blog post, but to those concerned about the fate [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Pachano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Pachano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 18:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Finally, thanks for your description of events leading up to the Bagua massacre. I don´t think we have any disagreements there.&quot;

I have one disagreement, with the statement that the violence was caused both by the government and &quot;the activity of some far-left groups who told the natives(falsely) that the government will take his land.&quot; This is a lie being promoted by the Peruvian government, which seeks to minimize its own culpability and falsely direct blame onto a supposed foreign conspiracy (from Bolivia or Venezuela). Indigenous communities and their representatives have made it overwhelmingly clear that the recent mobilization was an entirely homegrown affair, stemming from indigenous concern over their territorial sovereignty.

And I would not by any means call concerns that indigenous land would be taken &quot;false.&quot; That is, after all, what modern states do, almost by definition. I don&#039;t see how you can open up vast new tracts of the Amazon to oil and gas drilling, mining, logging, agribusiness and hydroelectric dams without stealing and destroying native land -- and no one denies that that&#039;s what the laws are intended to achieve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Finally, thanks for your description of events leading up to the Bagua massacre. I don´t think we have any disagreements there.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have one disagreement, with the statement that the violence was caused both by the government and &#8220;the activity of some far-left groups who told the natives(falsely) that the government will take his land.&#8221; This is a lie being promoted by the Peruvian government, which seeks to minimize its own culpability and falsely direct blame onto a supposed foreign conspiracy (from Bolivia or Venezuela). Indigenous communities and their representatives have made it overwhelmingly clear that the recent mobilization was an entirely homegrown affair, stemming from indigenous concern over their territorial sovereignty.</p>
<p>And I would not by any means call concerns that indigenous land would be taken &#8220;false.&#8221; That is, after all, what modern states do, almost by definition. I don&#8217;t see how you can open up vast new tracts of the Amazon to oil and gas drilling, mining, logging, agribusiness and hydroelectric dams without stealing and destroying native land &#8212; and no one denies that that&#8217;s what the laws are intended to achieve.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Engelfried</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/06/fighting-liquefied-natural-gas-from-oregon-to-peru/#comment-80047</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Engelfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 23:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear From Peru,
Thanks for writing in, and I apologize if I appeared to misprepresent anything in my article.  I´m not from Peru, and don´t pretend to be an expert on gas projects in this country.  However, my main concern in my article was that if the US increases imports of LNG, this will put further pressure on countries like Peru, with large gas reserves, to explore for gas in environmentally destructive ways, and sell it on the international market.  I don´t know much about specific gas exploration proposals in Peru, and did not mean to suggest that I did.  You seem pretty confident that the Peruvian government doesn´t plan to export gas internationally; I wouldn´t be so sure.  In any event, keeping LNG out of the US market will certainly decrease the temptation for government´s like Peru to start exporting LNG - which has a much larger carbon footprint than domestic gas.
As for gas providing a cleaner alternative to oil, I´m glad if Peru has found a way to decrease pollution using gas on a domestic level.  My concern in my article, however, was with LNG sold on the international market, which produces much more pollution over its lifetime than domestic gas.  In my article, I said nothing about Peru´s domestic use of gas as a fuel.
Finally, thanks for your description of events leading up to the Bagua massacre.  I don´t think we have any disagreements there.

Dear Bonnie,
Well, I don´t know about your California lab, but what I do know for certain is that if technology exists to make LNG ¨green¨ (and I´m fairly skeptical), such technology is not being implemented for the terminal proposals in the Northwestern US.  LNG companies have tried repeatedly to sell their projects as environmentally sound, and have failed miserably.  If these companies get their way, the Northwest will be importing a fuel with a carbon footprint similar to that of coal.  Even more important, however, you completely ignored the main point of my article, which is that increasing the market for LNG internationally will put further pressure on Peru to explore for gas in ways that harm the environment and contribute to human rights abuses.  Even if LNG were a carbon-neutral fuel (and it emphatically isn´t), that should be reason enough to oppose it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear From Peru,<br />
Thanks for writing in, and I apologize if I appeared to misprepresent anything in my article.  I´m not from Peru, and don´t pretend to be an expert on gas projects in this country.  However, my main concern in my article was that if the US increases imports of LNG, this will put further pressure on countries like Peru, with large gas reserves, to explore for gas in environmentally destructive ways, and sell it on the international market.  I don´t know much about specific gas exploration proposals in Peru, and did not mean to suggest that I did.  You seem pretty confident that the Peruvian government doesn´t plan to export gas internationally; I wouldn´t be so sure.  In any event, keeping LNG out of the US market will certainly decrease the temptation for government´s like Peru to start exporting LNG &#8211; which has a much larger carbon footprint than domestic gas.<br />
As for gas providing a cleaner alternative to oil, I´m glad if Peru has found a way to decrease pollution using gas on a domestic level.  My concern in my article, however, was with LNG sold on the international market, which produces much more pollution over its lifetime than domestic gas.  In my article, I said nothing about Peru´s domestic use of gas as a fuel.<br />
Finally, thanks for your description of events leading up to the Bagua massacre.  I don´t think we have any disagreements there.</p>
<p>Dear Bonnie,<br />
Well, I don´t know about your California lab, but what I do know for certain is that if technology exists to make LNG ¨green¨ (and I´m fairly skeptical), such technology is not being implemented for the terminal proposals in the Northwestern US.  LNG companies have tried repeatedly to sell their projects as environmentally sound, and have failed miserably.  If these companies get their way, the Northwest will be importing a fuel with a carbon footprint similar to that of coal.  Even more important, however, you completely ignored the main point of my article, which is that increasing the market for LNG internationally will put further pressure on Peru to explore for gas in ways that harm the environment and contribute to human rights abuses.  Even if LNG were a carbon-neutral fuel (and it emphatically isn´t), that should be reason enough to oppose it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to the inl.gov website  (this is a research lab.) and look up LNG they are doing some amazing things that can help out third world countries and the US.  The have a small system that can fit into a cargo trailer for about 2million that will convert LNG and be &quot;green&quot; at the same time.  They have set one up in Sacramento, CA already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to the inl.gov website  (this is a research lab.) and look up LNG they are doing some amazing things that can help out third world countries and the US.  The have a small system that can fit into a cargo trailer for about 2million that will convert LNG and be &#8220;green&#8221; at the same time.  They have set one up in Sacramento, CA already.</p>
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		<title>By: From Peru</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/06/fighting-liquefied-natural-gas-from-oregon-to-peru/#comment-79970</link>
		<dc:creator>From Peru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 23:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a student in Lima, Peru, and I am , like you, much worried about the environment, but I see that in this post there are some serious errors.

Iquitos, capital of the Loreto Region is located in north peruvian amazon. Here  there are some oil extraction pits, connected to the cost by the north-peruvian-oleoduct(you can consult a map of the region). Here LIQUID CRUDE OIL is extracted, oil that is exported because we have no petrochemical industry. Here NATURAL GAS IS NOT EXTRACTED.

There is a natural gas field far away in south-central amazon, the Camisea Gas Field, located in the Cuzco Region. The field is in high-elevation rainforest(here we call it &quot;selva alta&quot;). Today is used only for internal(peruvian) consuption. The gas in transported in a gasoduct to the capital Lima, where is destined  to industrial, domestic and transportation use. There were plans to export the gas in near future, but they where abandoned when the amount of reserves was revised and found that we will run out of gas by 2012. That means that ALL this natural gas will be destined to the peruvian demand.

The gas discovery and exploitation was actually GOOD NEWS for all peruvians corcerned about polltion. It permitted too swich all petroleum powered thermic power plant to the cleamest gas. Numerous factories use natural gas now , and finally a lot of cars now use it. Natural gas is much cleaner than petroleum derivatives. It emits more than 25% less carbon dioxide(CO2), and more important, it soot and sulfur emissions are near zero (soot is composed of organic and black carbon, the second largest contributor to climate change, and, together with sulfur, is highly toxic, causing even lung cancer). 

Lima is one of the most polluted cities in the world, pollution caused mainly by the burn of diesel petroleum (fuel oil) by decade-old cars and buses, that are imported thank to a law made by the corrupt government of Alberto Fujimori in the 1990s(now he is in jail for mass murder and corruption crimes).Switching to natural gas is the easiest form ( plus trashing all obsolete cars as rubbish)to save Lima&#039;air.

After explaining this( showing that peruvian natural gas will NOT be exported and it is environmentally friendly), I will explai what really happened in the amazon a month ago.

The current president approved a group of legislative decrees to made peruvian legislation agree with the LTC ( Free trade treaty, Tratado de Libre Comercio) with the USA. This decrees where approved without parliament intervention and even worse, WITHOUT CONSULTING TO THE AMAZON NATIVES (both things were agaist peruvian law). The decrees, regarding land property management in the rainforest, triggered a wave of social unrest. The government ignored it for months, while the natives blocked the main local roads, specially around the city of Bagua, in the northern amazon.

Finally, it ordered the police to clear the roads. The police was not prepared (they have no clear plan, and instead of tear gas and rubber bullets, most of them have only MACHINE GUNS!), and when they try to clear the road, a major battle began. After some time, some natives steal the gun from the police, and a riot exploded. In the battle, more than 20 policemen were killed, and an unknown number of natives were wounded or killed ( officially, there were just 9 natives  killed, but probably there were several tens dead and hundreds wounded)

When another group of natives hear the news of their killed comrades, they kidnapped 20 policemen from a station post in the north pruvian oleoduct , and began executing 6 of  them , until the peruvian army arrived and liberate the others after shooting on the natives.

This was the worst single episode of political violence in Peru, and the cause were both the  government incompetence and the activity of some far-left groups who told the natives(falsely) that the government will take his land. Peru is still shocked by this massacre, and the prime minister have resigned for that. 

I hope have explained clear what happened in few words (there can be lots of pages written about this tragedy), and forgive me if my explanation in particular was too long of if my english is not good. I hope I can tell more about peruvian reality and politics</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a student in Lima, Peru, and I am , like you, much worried about the environment, but I see that in this post there are some serious errors.</p>
<p>Iquitos, capital of the Loreto Region is located in north peruvian amazon. Here  there are some oil extraction pits, connected to the cost by the north-peruvian-oleoduct(you can consult a map of the region). Here LIQUID CRUDE OIL is extracted, oil that is exported because we have no petrochemical industry. Here NATURAL GAS IS NOT EXTRACTED.</p>
<p>There is a natural gas field far away in south-central amazon, the Camisea Gas Field, located in the Cuzco Region. The field is in high-elevation rainforest(here we call it &#8220;selva alta&#8221;). Today is used only for internal(peruvian) consuption. The gas in transported in a gasoduct to the capital Lima, where is destined  to industrial, domestic and transportation use. There were plans to export the gas in near future, but they where abandoned when the amount of reserves was revised and found that we will run out of gas by 2012. That means that ALL this natural gas will be destined to the peruvian demand.</p>
<p>The gas discovery and exploitation was actually GOOD NEWS for all peruvians corcerned about polltion. It permitted too swich all petroleum powered thermic power plant to the cleamest gas. Numerous factories use natural gas now , and finally a lot of cars now use it. Natural gas is much cleaner than petroleum derivatives. It emits more than 25% less carbon dioxide(CO2), and more important, it soot and sulfur emissions are near zero (soot is composed of organic and black carbon, the second largest contributor to climate change, and, together with sulfur, is highly toxic, causing even lung cancer). </p>
<p>Lima is one of the most polluted cities in the world, pollution caused mainly by the burn of diesel petroleum (fuel oil) by decade-old cars and buses, that are imported thank to a law made by the corrupt government of Alberto Fujimori in the 1990s(now he is in jail for mass murder and corruption crimes).Switching to natural gas is the easiest form ( plus trashing all obsolete cars as rubbish)to save Lima&#8217;air.</p>
<p>After explaining this( showing that peruvian natural gas will NOT be exported and it is environmentally friendly), I will explai what really happened in the amazon a month ago.</p>
<p>The current president approved a group of legislative decrees to made peruvian legislation agree with the LTC ( Free trade treaty, Tratado de Libre Comercio) with the USA. This decrees where approved without parliament intervention and even worse, WITHOUT CONSULTING TO THE AMAZON NATIVES (both things were agaist peruvian law). The decrees, regarding land property management in the rainforest, triggered a wave of social unrest. The government ignored it for months, while the natives blocked the main local roads, specially around the city of Bagua, in the northern amazon.</p>
<p>Finally, it ordered the police to clear the roads. The police was not prepared (they have no clear plan, and instead of tear gas and rubber bullets, most of them have only MACHINE GUNS!), and when they try to clear the road, a major battle began. After some time, some natives steal the gun from the police, and a riot exploded. In the battle, more than 20 policemen were killed, and an unknown number of natives were wounded or killed ( officially, there were just 9 natives  killed, but probably there were several tens dead and hundreds wounded)</p>
<p>When another group of natives hear the news of their killed comrades, they kidnapped 20 policemen from a station post in the north pruvian oleoduct , and began executing 6 of  them , until the peruvian army arrived and liberate the others after shooting on the natives.</p>
<p>This was the worst single episode of political violence in Peru, and the cause were both the  government incompetence and the activity of some far-left groups who told the natives(falsely) that the government will take his land. Peru is still shocked by this massacre, and the prime minister have resigned for that. </p>
<p>I hope have explained clear what happened in few words (there can be lots of pages written about this tragedy), and forgive me if my explanation in particular was too long of if my english is not good. I hope I can tell more about peruvian reality and politics</p>
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		<title>By: Iquitos Protest Targets Pro-Fossil Administration! &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/06/fighting-liquefied-natural-gas-from-oregon-to-peru/#comment-79939</link>
		<dc:creator>Iquitos Protest Targets Pro-Fossil Administration! &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] written more about the fight against fossil fuels in Peru, and how it connects to policy in the US, here.  I am not an expert on current politics in Peru, and I don´t know enough about any specific [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] written more about the fight against fossil fuels in Peru, and how it connects to policy in the US, here.  I am not an expert on current politics in Peru, and I don´t know enough about any specific [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Root Force</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/07/06/fighting-liquefied-natural-gas-from-oregon-to-peru/#comment-79892</link>
		<dc:creator>Root Force</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a nice analysis of how increased infrastructure in consuming (First World) countries like ours places more pressure on Third World (producing) countries to expand their own extraction/transport infrastructure, with devastating consequences. Thanks! We&#039;ve linked to it on our own blog, here:

http://www.rootforce.org/2009/07/08/why-our-struggles-matter/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a nice analysis of how increased infrastructure in consuming (First World) countries like ours places more pressure on Third World (producing) countries to expand their own extraction/transport infrastructure, with devastating consequences. Thanks! We&#8217;ve linked to it on our own blog, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rootforce.org/2009/07/08/why-our-struggles-matter/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rootforce.org/2009/07/08/why-our-struggles-matter/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Root Force &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Our Struggles Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Root Force &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Why Our Struggles Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 23:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check out this article analyzing some of the connections between the push for expanded liquefied natural gas [...]</description>
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