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	<title>Comments on: Joe Romm&#8217;s Solution to Climate Change</title>
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		<title>By: jcwinnie</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/04/10/joe-romms-solution-to-climate-change/#comment-75674</link>
		<dc:creator>jcwinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Doug Gibson

Research and Development into CCS (&lt;a href=&quot;http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=2894&amp;cpage=1#comment-19019&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carbon Capture and Storage&lt;/a&gt;) is other than &quot;replacing all coal as quickly as possible with renewable energy.&quot; &lt;a href=&quot;http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=4725&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chooster has been quoted&lt;/a&gt; as saying &quot;the U.S. should invest in technology to reduce the carbon produced by burning coal, but he said it will take at least eight years to be sure such systems work.” 

8 years. Isn&#039;t that about what the consensus was on &lt;a href=&quot;http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/04/12/climate-thoughts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the window&lt;/a&gt;. Face it, &lt;a href=&quot;http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=4423#comment-20395&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;coal has won&lt;/a&gt;, baby!

Now I&#039;m sure with the depth of your experience in utilities you can state a belief that the way it will go down will be &quot;Anyone interested in building such a plant can either figure out how to make carbon capture and storage work or forget about building their plant.&quot; My naive assumption is that your use of the verb, &quot;figure&quot;, equates to &lt;a href=&quot;http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=2473&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;theoretical pencil whipping&lt;/a&gt;, rather than actually using proven methods, properly building AND maintaining such systems, and concurrent careful monitoring to ensure compliance that is well enforced by the EPA (Business Protection Agency). 

And, &lt;a href=&quot;http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=2919&amp;cpage=1#comment-19256&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;everything else about coal&lt;/a&gt; remains copacetic, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Doug Gibson</p>
<p>Research and Development into CCS (<a href="http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=2894&amp;cpage=1#comment-19019" rel="nofollow">Carbon Capture and Storage</a>) is other than &#8220;replacing all coal as quickly as possible with renewable energy.&#8221; <a href="http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=4725" rel="nofollow">Chooster has been quoted</a> as saying &#8220;the U.S. should invest in technology to reduce the carbon produced by burning coal, but he said it will take at least eight years to be sure such systems work.” </p>
<p>8 years. Isn&#8217;t that about what the consensus was on <a href="http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2009/04/12/climate-thoughts/" rel="nofollow">the window</a>. Face it, <a href="http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=4423#comment-20395" rel="nofollow">coal has won</a>, baby!</p>
<p>Now I&#8217;m sure with the depth of your experience in utilities you can state a belief that the way it will go down will be &#8220;Anyone interested in building such a plant can either figure out how to make carbon capture and storage work or forget about building their plant.&#8221; My naive assumption is that your use of the verb, &#8220;figure&#8221;, equates to <a href="http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=2473" rel="nofollow">theoretical pencil whipping</a>, rather than actually using proven methods, properly building AND maintaining such systems, and concurrent careful monitoring to ensure compliance that is well enforced by the EPA (Business Protection Agency). </p>
<p>And, <a href="http://jcwinnie.biz/wordpress/?p=2919&amp;cpage=1#comment-19256" rel="nofollow">everything else about coal</a> remains copacetic, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/04/10/joe-romms-solution-to-climate-change/#comment-75431</link>
		<dc:creator>R Margolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that nuclear has high capital costs, but the majority of studies show nuclear is only a little higher carbon intensity than wind.  We need 24/7 power that is low carbon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that nuclear has high capital costs, but the majority of studies show nuclear is only a little higher carbon intensity than wind.  We need 24/7 power that is low carbon.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Gibson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>jcwinnie,

Wow! It must be hard to maintain your cheerful disposition when you&#039;re the sort of person who takes a post referring people to Joe Romm&#039;s blog and twists it into a plug for clean coal. 

Go read the original posts, and spend some time at Climate Progress. One of Romm&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/05/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-4-the-most-urgent-climate-policy-isnt-a-co2-price/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chief positions&lt;/a&gt; is that the US should not - starting now - construct a single new coal-fired power plant unless it can meet stringent standards on emissions. Anyone interested in building such a plant can either figure out how to make carbon capture and storage work or forget about building their plant.

Sheesh. Even this post says explicitly, &quot;the basic strategy is to replace all coal as quickly as possible.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jcwinnie,</p>
<p>Wow! It must be hard to maintain your cheerful disposition when you&#8217;re the sort of person who takes a post referring people to Joe Romm&#8217;s blog and twists it into a plug for clean coal. </p>
<p>Go read the original posts, and spend some time at Climate Progress. One of Romm&#8217;s <a href="http://climateprogress.org/2008/05/05/is-450-ppm-politically-possible-part-4-the-most-urgent-climate-policy-isnt-a-co2-price/" rel="nofollow">chief positions</a> is that the US should not &#8211; starting now &#8211; construct a single new coal-fired power plant unless it can meet stringent standards on emissions. Anyone interested in building such a plant can either figure out how to make carbon capture and storage work or forget about building their plant.</p>
<p>Sheesh. Even this post says explicitly, &#8220;the basic strategy is to replace all coal as quickly as possible.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Commodities Broker &#124; Drumbeat: April 11, 2009 &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</title>
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		<dc:creator>Commodities Broker &#124; Drumbeat: April 11, 2009 &#124; Commodities Options &#124; Commodities Futures &#124; Commodities Prices</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joe Romm’s Solution to Climate Change The solution is centered around achieving ~14 “stabilization wedges”. One wedge = one billion fewer metric tons of CO2 emitted globally, compared to projected levels. Again, this is possible with current technologies, and has a net cost of zero. The basic strategy is to replace all coal as quickly as possible, and to electrify transportation as much as possible.  Though there’s no silver bullet, but there is “one” solution: we must deploy every conceivable energy-efficient and low carbon technology that we have today as fast as we can. In order to reach the target carbon concentration of 350ppm, we have to deploy all 14 wedges of energy savings by 2040. Though increasingly serious implementation will begin soon, starting around 2030 multiple climate-caused catastrophes will cause drastic measures unthinkable today to be implemented. We must reverse the trend of increasing emissions by 2015-2020 at the latest, and we must have substantial action before 2012 or we’re toast. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joe Romm’s Solution to Climate Change The solution is centered around achieving ~14 “stabilization wedges”. One wedge = one billion fewer metric tons of CO2 emitted globally, compared to projected levels. Again, this is possible with current technologies, and has a net cost of zero. The basic strategy is to replace all coal as quickly as possible, and to electrify transportation as much as possible.  Though there’s no silver bullet, but there is “one” solution: we must deploy every conceivable energy-efficient and low carbon technology that we have today as fast as we can. In order to reach the target carbon concentration of 350ppm, we have to deploy all 14 wedges of energy savings by 2040. Though increasingly serious implementation will begin soon, starting around 2030 multiple climate-caused catastrophes will cause drastic measures unthinkable today to be implemented. We must reverse the trend of increasing emissions by 2015-2020 at the latest, and we must have substantial action before 2012 or we’re toast. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jcwinnie</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/04/10/joe-romms-solution-to-climate-change/#comment-75333</link>
		<dc:creator>jcwinnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Even a student activist blog pushing the clean coal lie. I think it shows how far we have passed the point of no return. 

Welcome to the Anthropocene! Abandon all hope for life on the planet as we know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Even a student activist blog pushing the clean coal lie. I think it shows how far we have passed the point of no return. </p>
<p>Welcome to the Anthropocene! Abandon all hope for life on the planet as we know it.</p>
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		<title>By: gooseberry</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/04/10/joe-romms-solution-to-climate-change/#comment-75135</link>
		<dc:creator>gooseberry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 19:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geo thermal energy and nuclear on a vast scale would increase atmospheric warming if continually expanded over a number of centuries. So these should not be first choices, they should have low usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geo thermal energy and nuclear on a vast scale would increase atmospheric warming if continually expanded over a number of centuries. So these should not be first choices, they should have low usage.</p>
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		<title>By: Drumbeat: April 11, 2009 &#124; FollowGreen.com</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/04/10/joe-romms-solution-to-climate-change/#comment-75114</link>
		<dc:creator>Drumbeat: April 11, 2009 &#124; FollowGreen.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 15:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Joe Rommâs Solution to Climate Change The solution is centered around achieving ~14 âstabilization wedgesâ. One wedge = one billion fewer metric tons of CO2 emitted globally, compared to projected levels. Again, this is possible with current technologies, and has a net cost of zero. The basic strategy is to replace all coal as quickly as possible, and to electrify transportation as much as possible.  Though thereâs no silver bullet, but there is âoneâ solution: we must deploy every conceivable energy-efficient and low carbon technology that we have today as fast as we can. In order to reach the target carbon concentration of 350ppm, we have to deploy all 14 wedges of energy savings by 2040. Though increasingly serious implementation will begin soon, starting around 2030 multiple climate-caused catastrophes will cause drastic measures unthinkable today to be implemented. We must reverse the trend of increasing emissions by 2015-2020 at the latest, and we must have substantial action before 2012 or weâre toast. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joe Rommâs Solution to Climate Change The solution is centered around achieving ~14 âstabilization wedgesâ. One wedge = one billion fewer metric tons of CO2 emitted globally, compared to projected levels. Again, this is possible with current technologies, and has a net cost of zero. The basic strategy is to replace all coal as quickly as possible, and to electrify transportation as much as possible.  Though thereâs no silver bullet, but there is âoneâ solution: we must deploy every conceivable energy-efficient and low carbon technology that we have today as fast as we can. In order to reach the target carbon concentration of 350ppm, we have to deploy all 14 wedges of energy savings by 2040. Though increasingly serious implementation will begin soon, starting around 2030 multiple climate-caused catastrophes will cause drastic measures unthinkable today to be implemented. We must reverse the trend of increasing emissions by 2015-2020 at the latest, and we must have substantial action before 2012 or weâre toast. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Drumbeat: April 11, 2009 Please Heed The Call</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/04/10/joe-romms-solution-to-climate-change/#comment-75111</link>
		<dc:creator>&#187; Drumbeat: April 11, 2009 Please Heed The Call</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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