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		<title>By: andrew</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/24/civil-disobedience-for-climate-justice/#comment-73070</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps there have been times in which monkey wrenching has been an effective means of last line of defense resistance. However, with the Green Scare, how long do you think one could &quot;wreck the machinery over and over&quot; before being caught and charged as an &quot;eco-terrorist&quot;? That&#039;s the situation in the USA. Also, if one is doing good organizing there should not be the need to resort to these sort of acts of desperation.

It may be the case that these sort of tactics are effective in areas of the Global South resisting colonial fossil fuel extraction on their land. It is likely to be more of a &quot;frontier&quot; situation - both in terms of the unrestrained/regulated plunder of natural resources and effective means of resistance at the disposal of impacted communities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there have been times in which monkey wrenching has been an effective means of last line of defense resistance. However, with the Green Scare, how long do you think one could &#8220;wreck the machinery over and over&#8221; before being caught and charged as an &#8220;eco-terrorist&#8221;? That&#8217;s the situation in the USA. Also, if one is doing good organizing there should not be the need to resort to these sort of acts of desperation.</p>
<p>It may be the case that these sort of tactics are effective in areas of the Global South resisting colonial fossil fuel extraction on their land. It is likely to be more of a &#8220;frontier&#8221; situation &#8211; both in terms of the unrestrained/regulated plunder of natural resources and effective means of resistance at the disposal of impacted communities.</p>
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		<title>By: Guinstigator</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/24/civil-disobedience-for-climate-justice/#comment-73069</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I am not personally opposed to monkey wrenching per se, I do not feel it is a tactic that would be as effective at this point in this particular struggle. Unfortunately, many people in these communities would see that as a destructive act. And when engaging in a struggle such as this, it is extremely important to have the local people on your side, or at least not in opposition to you. For me, monkey wrenching only makes sense when all other options have failed. Lately, some things have been going our way. And I believe it is worth doing this in a non-violent way.

Having spent decades in the anti-nuclear field, and having been arrested dozens of times, I see this as an opportunity to work with and hopefully inspire the local community, as well stop corporate criminals like those that run Massey Coal. Non-violent civil disobedience has a long and honorable history, going well beyond this country and the civil tights movement. Look at Gandhi and the Mothers of the Plaza in Argentina. Having people come to West Virginia and lern about non-violence and going onto Massey Coal property to shut down mountain top removal is what I see as the next logical step. We are planning to have a summer camp in May and June to train people in nv training. as well as other trainings, and would love to see Massey Coal shut down daily, That would do a lot in my estimation. If you are interested contact me at guinstigator@yahoo.cpm oe call me, Guin, at 304-854=7372]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I am not personally opposed to monkey wrenching per se, I do not feel it is a tactic that would be as effective at this point in this particular struggle. Unfortunately, many people in these communities would see that as a destructive act. And when engaging in a struggle such as this, it is extremely important to have the local people on your side, or at least not in opposition to you. For me, monkey wrenching only makes sense when all other options have failed. Lately, some things have been going our way. And I believe it is worth doing this in a non-violent way.</p>
<p>Having spent decades in the anti-nuclear field, and having been arrested dozens of times, I see this as an opportunity to work with and hopefully inspire the local community, as well stop corporate criminals like those that run Massey Coal. Non-violent civil disobedience has a long and honorable history, going well beyond this country and the civil tights movement. Look at Gandhi and the Mothers of the Plaza in Argentina. Having people come to West Virginia and lern about non-violence and going onto Massey Coal property to shut down mountain top removal is what I see as the next logical step. We are planning to have a summer camp in May and June to train people in nv training. as well as other trainings, and would love to see Massey Coal shut down daily, That would do a lot in my estimation. If you are interested contact me at <a href="mailto:guinstigator@yahoo.cpm">guinstigator@yahoo.cpm</a> oe call me, Guin, at 304-854=7372</p>
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		<title>By: jane doe</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/24/civil-disobedience-for-climate-justice/#comment-72871</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 17:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With monkey wrenching, it has always seemed to me that the point is to immediately stop destruction.  For instance, if some terrible nasty colonialist project was under construction in your town, and you wanted to delay it as long as possible (while you may or may not be taking other, more approachable routes of resistance), you wreck the machinery over and over until a month has passed and they still haven&#039;t been able to break ground, etc.  Whether or not it should be used now as a widespread tactic, I think it&#039;s still one of the most effective acts to achieve immediate results that put the power back into your own hands, much like civil disobedience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With monkey wrenching, it has always seemed to me that the point is to immediately stop destruction.  For instance, if some terrible nasty colonialist project was under construction in your town, and you wanted to delay it as long as possible (while you may or may not be taking other, more approachable routes of resistance), you wreck the machinery over and over until a month has passed and they still haven&#8217;t been able to break ground, etc.  Whether or not it should be used now as a widespread tactic, I think it&#8217;s still one of the most effective acts to achieve immediate results that put the power back into your own hands, much like civil disobedience.</p>
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		<title>By: andrewmunn</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/24/civil-disobedience-for-climate-justice/#comment-72815</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2009 01:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Monkey wrenching is not the next logical step. 

Monkey wrenching is just as flawed a tactic in bringing about sustainability and social justice as pumping up your car tires. Strange comparison? Our current injustice and unsustainability are systemic problems, and are going to require systemic solutions. At best, monkey wrenching can be a pain in the ass to the fossil fuel empire, not a serious threat, and certainly not changing the wider status quo. Like pumping up tires, changing light bulbs, or changing your computer&#039;s energy usage you are prescribing individual choice solutions to a systemic problem. Not going to get us where we want to be.

If the coal companies had to hire guards at all the railway bridges from Wyoming to Georgia, they would cut costs elsewhere. Mountain top removal and strip mining is about cutting costs. What&#039;s next?

Nonviolent civil disobedience has a long and honored history and people in the mainstream understand and support it. Monkey wrenching, eco-sabotage, and property destruction, scare people (albeit because of the way it is portrayed in the corporate media)! If we are going to transform society from a carbon-belching extortion scheme to something sustainable and just, we need a popular movement demanding and creating new systems, not a couple of irrelevant eco-saboteurs screwing around with nuts and bolts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monkey wrenching is not the next logical step. </p>
<p>Monkey wrenching is just as flawed a tactic in bringing about sustainability and social justice as pumping up your car tires. Strange comparison? Our current injustice and unsustainability are systemic problems, and are going to require systemic solutions. At best, monkey wrenching can be a pain in the ass to the fossil fuel empire, not a serious threat, and certainly not changing the wider status quo. Like pumping up tires, changing light bulbs, or changing your computer&#8217;s energy usage you are prescribing individual choice solutions to a systemic problem. Not going to get us where we want to be.</p>
<p>If the coal companies had to hire guards at all the railway bridges from Wyoming to Georgia, they would cut costs elsewhere. Mountain top removal and strip mining is about cutting costs. What&#8217;s next?</p>
<p>Nonviolent civil disobedience has a long and honored history and people in the mainstream understand and support it. Monkey wrenching, eco-sabotage, and property destruction, scare people (albeit because of the way it is portrayed in the corporate media)! If we are going to transform society from a carbon-belching extortion scheme to something sustainable and just, we need a popular movement demanding and creating new systems, not a couple of irrelevant eco-saboteurs screwing around with nuts and bolts.</p>
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		<title>By: Monkey See, Monkey Do</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Monkey See, Monkey Do]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent post. I&#039;m wondering how long it will take until we come to the next logical step: monkey wrenching. It seems to me that we should be there already. Why would this make sense? Because a bit of monkey wrenching could significantly raise the costs of coal-fired power, thereby making it less attractive and shifting investment into more climate friendly alternatives. Let&#039;s say, for example, that it became necessary to have guards at all the railway bridges from Wyoming to Georgia over which the trains run hauling coal to the southeastern power plants.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post. I&#8217;m wondering how long it will take until we come to the next logical step: monkey wrenching. It seems to me that we should be there already. Why would this make sense? Because a bit of monkey wrenching could significantly raise the costs of coal-fired power, thereby making it less attractive and shifting investment into more climate friendly alternatives. Let&#8217;s say, for example, that it became necessary to have guards at all the railway bridges from Wyoming to Georgia over which the trains run hauling coal to the southeastern power plants.</p>
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		<title>By: mountaingirl</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/24/civil-disobedience-for-climate-justice/#comment-72664</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful post, Andrew!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful post, Andrew!</p>
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		<title>By: marci</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/24/civil-disobedience-for-climate-justice/#comment-72661</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice work, andrew!  thank you for enlightening me with your analysis of civil disobedience in the climate justice movement.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice work, andrew!  thank you for enlightening me with your analysis of civil disobedience in the climate justice movement.</p>
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