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		<title>By: Frustrated Content Writer</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-93843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frustrated Content Writer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[100% agreed with Paul. There&#039;s no real reason for the bags to exist, and it ends up being cheaper for just about everyone to get rid of them due to the savings for businesses (which end up causing lower prices) and the environmental benefits for consumers. Cleaning up our past business practices should be the first step taken in order to improve our future ones.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>100% agreed with Paul. There&#8217;s no real reason for the bags to exist, and it ends up being cheaper for just about everyone to get rid of them due to the savings for businesses (which end up causing lower prices) and the environmental benefits for consumers. Cleaning up our past business practices should be the first step taken in order to improve our future ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Potts</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-91781</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Potts]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 16:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We need to deal with confronting climate change in many ways and i&#039;d love to see plastic bags banned asap]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to deal with confronting climate change in many ways and i&#8217;d love to see plastic bags banned asap</p>
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		<title>By: Teryn Norris: Obama Launches Energy Education Initiative</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-77223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teryn Norris: Obama Launches Energy Education Initiative]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 03:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and online interview. We also submitted a fact sheet and strategy brief to the Obama campaign and called upon young people to advocate for [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Obama Launches Energy Education Initiative &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-77213</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama Launches Energy Education Initiative &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and online interview. We also submitted a fact sheet and strategy brief to the Obama campaign and called upon young people to advocate for [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Obama Launches Energy Education Initiative &#171; Breakthrough Generation</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-77203</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Obama Launches Energy Education Initiative &#171; Breakthrough Generation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Teryn Norris</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-71939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teryn Norris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Young progressives absolutely need to do more than confront climate change.  That&#039;s partly why we created this special issue, to look beyond climate at the broader youth progressive movement.  This post focused on climate and energy because we wanted to get this message out to young innovators and help foster a more inclusive movement.  We do think greater efforts on energy innovation and entrepreneurship are a very important part of what&#039;s next, and we&#039;ve been really excited to see that other young people are looking in this direction as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Young progressives absolutely need to do more than confront climate change.  That&#8217;s partly why we created this special issue, to look beyond climate at the broader youth progressive movement.  This post focused on climate and energy because we wanted to get this message out to young innovators and help foster a more inclusive movement.  We do think greater efforts on energy innovation and entrepreneurship are a very important part of what&#8217;s next, and we&#8217;ve been really excited to see that other young people are looking in this direction as well.</p>
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		<title>By: insurgent sociologist</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-71932</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[insurgent sociologist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 22:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Teryn and Jesse write: &quot;at its core, climate change is a challenge of technology innovation.&quot;

I am hopeful that such a narrow frame of analysis that implies the abandonment of what was most critical and inspiring about Powershift does not constitute &quot;what&#039;s next.&quot;

&quot;I&#039;m gonna tell you the truth about it, if all you do is have a clean energy revolution you won&#039;t have done anything, and I&#039;m gonna tell you why... If all we do is take out the dirty power system, the dirty power generation in this system, and just replace it with some clean stuff, put a solar panel on top of this system, but don&#039;t deal with how we are consuming water, we don&#039;t deal with how we are treating our other sister and brother species, we don&#039;t deal with toxins, we don&#039;t deal with the way we treat each other- if that&#039;s not a part of this movement let me tell you what you&#039;ll have: you&#039;ll have solar powered bulldozers, solar powered buzzsaws, and biofueled bombers and we&#039;ll be fighting wars over lithium for the batteries instead of oil for the engines and we&#039;ll still have a dead planet. We&#039;re not gonna put a new battery in a broken system, we want a new system- We want a new system! We&#039;re going to change the whole thing... don&#039;t let anyone tell you anything different...&quot;- Van Jones, Powershift09 Keynote Address

The Cold War spending frequently referenced was supported by big business precisely because it was part of a war to maintain that broken system. Federal investments in clean energy projects that undermine the broken system Jones described are very necessary but require a change in political power to occur. 

If the &quot;innovation economics&quot; being touted here bear any relation to the monetarist economics school of Teryn&#039;s Reaganite mentor at the CATO institute that were so instrumental to the human  and environmental disasters from the past decades of neo-liberalism (as even British PM Gordon Brown has had to admit &quot;promot[ed] economic orthodoxies that we ourselves have not followed and that have condemned the world’s poorest to a deepening crisis of poverty&quot;) not to mention underpin the current economic crisis, then I should hope young scientists of all disciplines are thoroughly unimpressed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teryn and Jesse write: &#8220;at its core, climate change is a challenge of technology innovation.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am hopeful that such a narrow frame of analysis that implies the abandonment of what was most critical and inspiring about Powershift does not constitute &#8220;what&#8217;s next.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m gonna tell you the truth about it, if all you do is have a clean energy revolution you won&#8217;t have done anything, and I&#8217;m gonna tell you why&#8230; If all we do is take out the dirty power system, the dirty power generation in this system, and just replace it with some clean stuff, put a solar panel on top of this system, but don&#8217;t deal with how we are consuming water, we don&#8217;t deal with how we are treating our other sister and brother species, we don&#8217;t deal with toxins, we don&#8217;t deal with the way we treat each other- if that&#8217;s not a part of this movement let me tell you what you&#8217;ll have: you&#8217;ll have solar powered bulldozers, solar powered buzzsaws, and biofueled bombers and we&#8217;ll be fighting wars over lithium for the batteries instead of oil for the engines and we&#8217;ll still have a dead planet. We&#8217;re not gonna put a new battery in a broken system, we want a new system- We want a new system! We&#8217;re going to change the whole thing&#8230; don&#8217;t let anyone tell you anything different&#8230;&#8221;- Van Jones, Powershift09 Keynote Address</p>
<p>The Cold War spending frequently referenced was supported by big business precisely because it was part of a war to maintain that broken system. Federal investments in clean energy projects that undermine the broken system Jones described are very necessary but require a change in political power to occur. </p>
<p>If the &#8220;innovation economics&#8221; being touted here bear any relation to the monetarist economics school of Teryn&#8217;s Reaganite mentor at the CATO institute that were so instrumental to the human  and environmental disasters from the past decades of neo-liberalism (as even British PM Gordon Brown has had to admit &#8220;promot[ed] economic orthodoxies that we ourselves have not followed and that have condemned the world’s poorest to a deepening crisis of poverty&#8221;) not to mention underpin the current economic crisis, then I should hope young scientists of all disciplines are thoroughly unimpressed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Teryn Norris</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/03/10/want-to-save-the-world-make-clean-energy-cheap/#comment-71789</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teryn Norris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Morgan, thanks for the comment.  I agree 100% on the importance of deploying solutions today, and I&#039;m really glad you expanded upon that in your post.  Sounds like you&#039;re doing exciting work with Eastern Energy Systems.  Overall, I think we have a very similar mindset about the entrepreneurial, solutions-oriented work young people can be doing.

The reason we highlight young scientists, engineers, and entrepreneurs is for a few reasons.  From what we&#039;ve seen, they&#039;ve been largely left out of the so-called &quot;youth climate movement.&quot;  &quot;Green jobs&quot; have been promoted for a while now, but they&#039;ve mostly focused on efficiency and renewable energy &lt;i&gt;installation&lt;/i&gt;.  Andy Revkin &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/are-chemists-engineers-on-green-jobs-list/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;had some good coverage on this issue&lt;/a&gt; back in December.  So part of our goal is to introduce this group to the youth climate movement, as well as to inspire young innovators to commit themselves to tackling the energy challenge.

We&#039;re also trying to inspire young people to think about how they can help &quot;make clean energy cheap&quot; through their activities and careers.  We think this framework has big implications for what students should prioritize in their &quot;green&quot; educations and careers.  We find this to be a very powerful and important frame, because ultimately we believe making clean energy cheap is what&#039;s necessary to dramatically accelerate the global energy transition, for the reasons explained above -- happy to discuss those reasons more if you like.  (Google had a similar slogan with &quot;Renewable Energy Cheaper than Coal&quot; (RE&lt;C), but unfortunately they never really ran with it.) Making clean energy cheap doesn&#039;t at all exclude installation (see below), but it&#039;s a different way of seeing your own role.  Your work becomes not just about reducing carbon footprints, but also about promoting technological development. 

So what does making clean energy cheap mean for &quot;green jobs&quot; more focused on installation?  That&#039;s an important question, and now that I think about it we should probably write another post explaining this in greater detail.  A strategy for making clean energy cheap is integrally tied to early-stage deployment of clean energy technologies today. In many cases, early-stage technology deployment is where you achieve the most cost reductions, from learning-by-doing and increased economies of scale.  I think the key, then, is for young entrepreneurs to focus their efforts on identifying emerging clean energy technologies and creating business models to deploy them in ways that prioritize the achievement of cost reductions.  Isn&#039;t that a very different way of looking at the role of installation?  Within this framework, the goal isn&#039;t just simply to &quot;reduce emissions&quot; -- it&#039;s also about making clean energy cheap, because we know that&#039;s what is necessary to dramatically accelerate the global energy revolution.

Cheers,
Teryn]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Morgan, thanks for the comment.  I agree 100% on the importance of deploying solutions today, and I&#8217;m really glad you expanded upon that in your post.  Sounds like you&#8217;re doing exciting work with Eastern Energy Systems.  Overall, I think we have a very similar mindset about the entrepreneurial, solutions-oriented work young people can be doing.</p>
<p>The reason we highlight young scientists, engineers, and entrepreneurs is for a few reasons.  From what we&#8217;ve seen, they&#8217;ve been largely left out of the so-called &#8220;youth climate movement.&#8221;  &#8220;Green jobs&#8221; have been promoted for a while now, but they&#8217;ve mostly focused on efficiency and renewable energy <i>installation</i>.  Andy Revkin <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/are-chemists-engineers-on-green-jobs-list/" rel="nofollow">had some good coverage on this issue</a> back in December.  So part of our goal is to introduce this group to the youth climate movement, as well as to inspire young innovators to commit themselves to tackling the energy challenge.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re also trying to inspire young people to think about how they can help &#8220;make clean energy cheap&#8221; through their activities and careers.  We think this framework has big implications for what students should prioritize in their &#8220;green&#8221; educations and careers.  We find this to be a very powerful and important frame, because ultimately we believe making clean energy cheap is what&#8217;s necessary to dramatically accelerate the global energy transition, for the reasons explained above &#8212; happy to discuss those reasons more if you like.  (Google had a similar slogan with &#8220;Renewable Energy Cheaper than Coal&#8221; (RE&lt;C), but unfortunately they never really ran with it.) Making clean energy cheap doesn&#8217;t at all exclude installation (see below), but it&#8217;s a different way of seeing your own role.  Your work becomes not just about reducing carbon footprints, but also about promoting technological development. </p>
<p>So what does making clean energy cheap mean for &#8220;green jobs&#8221; more focused on installation?  That&#8217;s an important question, and now that I think about it we should probably write another post explaining this in greater detail.  A strategy for making clean energy cheap is integrally tied to early-stage deployment of clean energy technologies today. In many cases, early-stage technology deployment is where you achieve the most cost reductions, from learning-by-doing and increased economies of scale.  I think the key, then, is for young entrepreneurs to focus their efforts on identifying emerging clean energy technologies and creating business models to deploy them in ways that prioritize the achievement of cost reductions.  Isn&#8217;t that a very different way of looking at the role of installation?  Within this framework, the goal isn&#8217;t just simply to &#8220;reduce emissions&#8221; &#8212; it&#8217;s also about making clean energy cheap, because we know that&#8217;s what is necessary to dramatically accelerate the global energy revolution.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Teryn</p>
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		<title>By: Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post is a contribution to the Special Breakthrough Issue, “After Power Shift: What’s Next?” [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Celebrity Paycut - Encouraging celebrities all over the world to save us from global warming by taking a paycut.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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