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	<title>Comments on: Economic Stimulus, Clean Energy and the Scale of Our Challenge: Grading the Stimulus Energy Investments</title>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Margolis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 19:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have recently tried to avoid talking &quot;false solutions&quot;.  New developments (or lack of expected ones) can change the game quickly.  

Specifically for nuclear, China is currently building new plants (both water and helium cooled).  Even if the loan guarantees made it in, the utilities would still wait to see how the designs fare in China.  I guess I am not as sad as many of my colleagues may be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently tried to avoid talking &#8220;false solutions&#8221;.  New developments (or lack of expected ones) can change the game quickly.  </p>
<p>Specifically for nuclear, China is currently building new plants (both water and helium cooled).  Even if the loan guarantees made it in, the utilities would still wait to see how the designs fare in China.  I guess I am not as sad as many of my colleagues may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Jenkins</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Jenkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Alex,

Actually, this is one of the great things about the stimulus&#039; energy provisions.  In the past, say when the 2005 or 2007 Energy Bills passed, we had to stomach all kinds of payouts to oil, coal, and corn ethanol industries in order to get our &quot;victory&quot; for renewables, which generally amounted to table scraps compared to the sums devoted to fossil fuels and unsustainable biofuels.  Now however, as you can see from this post &lt;a href=&quot;http://watthead.blogspot.com/2009/02/detailed-summary-of-energy-investments.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and my &quot;line-by-line&quot; summary of the stimulus here&lt;/a&gt;, there&#039;s very little in the way of investments in what you call &quot;false solutions&quot; (by which I assume you mean nuclear, coal+CCS and biofuels, judging by your prior posts).  &lt;a href=&quot;http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/2/12/83439/6486&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The nuclear loan guarantee provisions were stripped&lt;/a&gt; before final passage. The extent of biofuels subsidies entails an extension of tax credits for installation of biofuel pumps at fueling stations (which could be used to pump more sustainable next-generation biofuels as well when they are available).  And while I know the two of us have slightly different positions RE taxpayer=funded research for carbon capture and storage, &lt;a href=&quot;http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/2/13/1171/66293&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the funds for CCS were also smaller than originally expected&lt;/a&gt; and came in at $3.4B (compared to a total of around $5B for renewables and efficiency R&amp;D, plus more for smart grid demo, advanced batteries, etc.).  So while this time, the funds were a solid first start on many clean and efficient energy investments (although these will need to be maintained and increased over time to be effective), we didn&#039;t have to stomach much in the way of money for &quot;false solutions.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alex,</p>
<p>Actually, this is one of the great things about the stimulus&#8217; energy provisions.  In the past, say when the 2005 or 2007 Energy Bills passed, we had to stomach all kinds of payouts to oil, coal, and corn ethanol industries in order to get our &#8220;victory&#8221; for renewables, which generally amounted to table scraps compared to the sums devoted to fossil fuels and unsustainable biofuels.  Now however, as you can see from this post <a href="http://watthead.blogspot.com/2009/02/detailed-summary-of-energy-investments.html" rel="nofollow">and my &#8220;line-by-line&#8221; summary of the stimulus here</a>, there&#8217;s very little in the way of investments in what you call &#8220;false solutions&#8221; (by which I assume you mean nuclear, coal+CCS and biofuels, judging by your prior posts).  <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/2/12/83439/6486" rel="nofollow">The nuclear loan guarantee provisions were stripped</a> before final passage. The extent of biofuels subsidies entails an extension of tax credits for installation of biofuel pumps at fueling stations (which could be used to pump more sustainable next-generation biofuels as well when they are available).  And while I know the two of us have slightly different positions RE taxpayer=funded research for carbon capture and storage, <a href="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2009/2/13/1171/66293" rel="nofollow">the funds for CCS were also smaller than originally expected</a> and came in at $3.4B (compared to a total of around $5B for renewables and efficiency R&amp;D, plus more for smart grid demo, advanced batteries, etc.).  So while this time, the funds were a solid first start on many clean and efficient energy investments (although these will need to be maintained and increased over time to be effective), we didn&#8217;t have to stomach much in the way of money for &#8220;false solutions.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for laying out how much (or how little) the stimulus devotes to each of these critical investments. I&#039;d be interested to see a similar analysis of the stimulus dollars being spent on false solutions or other frivolity...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for laying out how much (or how little) the stimulus devotes to each of these critical investments. I&#8217;d be interested to see a similar analysis of the stimulus dollars being spent on false solutions or other frivolity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: hsr0601</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hsr0601]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 04:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is an inventor from Wisconsin who invented an all-electric car in the form of a Ford Ranger that was shown at the KARE 11 fair booth at the 2008 Minnesota State Fair.

It is capable of reaching 100 miles per hour in speed, has a range of 300 miles, charges in 10 minutes and is pollution free with only the pollution that is done to make the electricity to charge it.

The inventor of this invention has, to my understanding, approached Ford Motor Company with his invention. The Ford Motor Company, in my estimation, should latch onto this idea, pronto.

My understanding is there are members of Congress who are trying to shoot down this idea of an electric car.

Where is there any common sense in this country?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an inventor from Wisconsin who invented an all-electric car in the form of a Ford Ranger that was shown at the KARE 11 fair booth at the 2008 Minnesota State Fair.</p>
<p>It is capable of reaching 100 miles per hour in speed, has a range of 300 miles, charges in 10 minutes and is pollution free with only the pollution that is done to make the electricity to charge it.</p>
<p>The inventor of this invention has, to my understanding, approached Ford Motor Company with his invention. The Ford Motor Company, in my estimation, should latch onto this idea, pronto.</p>
<p>My understanding is there are members of Congress who are trying to shoot down this idea of an electric car.</p>
<p>Where is there any common sense in this country?</p>
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		<title>By: Cebes</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cebes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellent summary of the legislation.

It would also be helpful if you would author an article on the criticl necessity to immediately shut down CO2 emissions from coal and oil producers, given the warming effect they have on Arctic reserves of methane and methane hydrates. 

Dr. Charles Paull (MBARI) has written that the dissociation of these hydrates pose a significnt threat to global survival. He intimates that we may not have ten years to prevent further destabilization and seepage into the atmosphere.  Russian scientists are also alarmed with the massive buildup of methane around the largest fresh water lake on earth, Lake Baikal. 

As you know these modern day methane hydrates are a product of the oil industry&#039;s use of fresh water and carbonated water combined with CO2 to pressurize wells in the extraction of crude. The oil industry knew in the 1940&#039;s that their pipelines were being glogged by the hydrates and they used salt water to unclog them.  They kept these little hydrates a secret for a very long time. 

When rig operators tried to examine sample cores and thse cores dissociated before their eyes they ceased drilling in what they thought were promising locations.  Now we have a situation where so called CO2 sequestration is being used to hide what is really enhanced oil recovery (EOR), further risking massive destabilization of deep sea and permafrost methane and its hydrate.

But importantly, the gradual warming of the Arctic&#039;s permafrost and deep layers of the Arctic&#039;s water present an even more significant threat than drilling under the guise of CO2 sequestration. There needs to be a global awarness of this threat, and therfore, the cessation of CO2 producing fossil fuels.  We have alternatives such as hemp oil to produce most of the by-products that use petroleum as a base. And of course we have hydrokinetics to generate massive amounts of energy to supplant coal. 

I, therefore, urge you to create a course...Methane Hydrates--A Climactic Present Danger 101.

Respectfully,

Cebes]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent summary of the legislation.</p>
<p>It would also be helpful if you would author an article on the criticl necessity to immediately shut down CO2 emissions from coal and oil producers, given the warming effect they have on Arctic reserves of methane and methane hydrates. </p>
<p>Dr. Charles Paull (MBARI) has written that the dissociation of these hydrates pose a significnt threat to global survival. He intimates that we may not have ten years to prevent further destabilization and seepage into the atmosphere.  Russian scientists are also alarmed with the massive buildup of methane around the largest fresh water lake on earth, Lake Baikal. </p>
<p>As you know these modern day methane hydrates are a product of the oil industry&#8217;s use of fresh water and carbonated water combined with CO2 to pressurize wells in the extraction of crude. The oil industry knew in the 1940&#8242;s that their pipelines were being glogged by the hydrates and they used salt water to unclog them.  They kept these little hydrates a secret for a very long time. </p>
<p>When rig operators tried to examine sample cores and thse cores dissociated before their eyes they ceased drilling in what they thought were promising locations.  Now we have a situation where so called CO2 sequestration is being used to hide what is really enhanced oil recovery (EOR), further risking massive destabilization of deep sea and permafrost methane and its hydrate.</p>
<p>But importantly, the gradual warming of the Arctic&#8217;s permafrost and deep layers of the Arctic&#8217;s water present an even more significant threat than drilling under the guise of CO2 sequestration. There needs to be a global awarness of this threat, and therfore, the cessation of CO2 producing fossil fuels.  We have alternatives such as hemp oil to produce most of the by-products that use petroleum as a base. And of course we have hydrokinetics to generate massive amounts of energy to supplant coal. </p>
<p>I, therefore, urge you to create a course&#8230;Methane Hydrates&#8211;A Climactic Present Danger 101.</p>
<p>Respectfully,</p>
<p>Cebes</p>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Margolis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 15:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am most interested in how things go in Boulder.  It sounds like cheap energy storage is the key.  You can improve the grid some with advanced digital controls and smart meters, but we will likely continue to use copper wires which will still have transmission loss (even if more HVDC can be deployed).  Cheap energy storage is the linchpin to any real grid revolution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am most interested in how things go in Boulder.  It sounds like cheap energy storage is the key.  You can improve the grid some with advanced digital controls and smart meters, but we will likely continue to use copper wires which will still have transmission loss (even if more HVDC can be deployed).  Cheap energy storage is the linchpin to any real grid revolution.</p>
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