Comments on: Obama EPA Overturns Big Stone II (SD/MN) Air Permit http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Wed, 17 Mar 2010 05:58:17 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Big Stone II loses lead developer…nail in coffin (please)? « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-81106 Big Stone II loses lead developer…nail in coffin (please)? « It’s Getting Hot In Here Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:57:43 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-81106 [...] were looking up earlier this year, when just days after Obama took office, the EPA revoked Big Stone II’s air permit. But months later, the developers turned in a revised air permit, which was later [...] [...] were looking up earlier this year, when just days after Obama took office, the EPA revoked Big Stone II’s air permit. But months later, the developers turned in a revised air permit, which was later [...]

]]> By: Joni http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-76868 Joni Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:33:16 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-76868 This is good news, good news, good news! My family is craving air that does not burn our eyes and lungs and food and water supplies that are not loaded with massive amounts of toxins. Coal kills. As far as I'm concerned, Minnesota wind can take the lead in clearing the air. This is good news, good news, good news! My family is craving air that does not burn our eyes and lungs and food and water supplies that are not loaded with massive amounts of toxins. Coal kills. As far as I’m concerned, Minnesota wind can take the lead in clearing the air.

]]> By: Kai Bosworth http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70926 Kai Bosworth Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:05:44 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70926 Hi R Gonzales, Thanks for the info and your concern. According to <a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/06/18/power_lines/" rel="nofollow">this MPR article</a> and a number of others, this is the "first major transmission line project" since the mid-1970s. I apologize for being unclear, and the problem has been fixed and cited. Kai Hi R Gonzales,
Thanks for the info and your concern. According to this MPR article and a number of others, this is the “first major transmission line project” since the mid-1970s. I apologize for being unclear, and the problem has been fixed and cited.

Kai

]]> By: R Gonzalez http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70925 R Gonzalez Wed, 18 Feb 2009 16:05:52 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70925 Having been a transmission planner for the past 25 years, the statement that no high voltage transmission lines have been built in Minnesota since 1979 strikes me as wildly incorrect. -- The Winnipeg-Twin Cities 500 kV line was completed in 1980. -- The Sherco-Benton Co 345 kV line was built in 1983. -- The Split Rock (Sioux Falls, SD)-Lakefield Jct (Lakefield, MN) 345 kV line was completed in 2008. -- Many miles of lower-voltage (161 and 115 kV) line have been build during the past 25 years, in urban and rural portions of Minnesota. I would hope that the balance of the article was developed with a higher degree of information checking applied. Having been a transmission planner for the past 25 years, the statement that no high voltage transmission lines have been built in Minnesota since 1979 strikes me as wildly incorrect.

– The Winnipeg-Twin Cities 500 kV line was completed in 1980.
– The Sherco-Benton Co 345 kV line was built in 1983.
– The Split Rock (Sioux Falls, SD)-Lakefield Jct (Lakefield, MN) 345 kV line was completed in 2008.
– Many miles of lower-voltage (161 and 115 kV) line have been build during the past 25 years, in urban and rural portions of Minnesota.

I would hope that the balance of the article was developed with a higher degree of information checking applied.

]]> By: Could Big Stone II Be A Zombie? « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70652 Could Big Stone II Be A Zombie? « It’s Getting Hot In Here Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:50:51 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70652 [...] , United States , global warming Even though the EPA overruled the approval of the Big Stone II air permit just over a week ago, South Dakota Senator John Thune urged (also, here) the Obama [...] [...] , United States , global warming Even though the EPA overruled the approval of the Big Stone II air permit just over a week ago, South Dakota Senator John Thune urged (also, here) the Obama [...]

]]> By: keith Anderson http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70594 keith Anderson Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:24:20 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70594 If you want to do your part in stopping global warming quit importing all those Chinese consumer items. The buying of these "bargains" at your favorite store Walmart and the resulting hot Chinese economy and massive growth of coal fired electrical production in China should be your first concern. Yes the Big Stone 2 project has its short comings but it will replace energy imported from the mideast and will be cleaner that existing coal plants. When those opposed to Big Stone 2 give up their cheap Chinese made computer laptops, then you will have more credibility with me. Our economy needs the jobs from this ready to go construction now. Those people out of work in this recession have more immediate concerns - like eating and heating their homes. If you want to do your part in stopping global warming quit importing all those Chinese consumer items. The buying of these “bargains” at your favorite store Walmart and the resulting hot Chinese economy and massive growth of coal fired electrical production in China should be your first concern. Yes the Big Stone 2 project has its short comings but it will replace energy imported from the mideast and will be cleaner that existing coal plants. When those opposed to Big Stone 2 give up their cheap Chinese made computer laptops, then you will have more credibility with me. Our economy needs the jobs from this ready to go construction now. Those people out of work in this recession have more immediate concerns – like eating and heating their homes.

]]> By: ZZT http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70526 ZZT Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:39:23 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70526 Bryan St. James is correct. The only solution is a balanced one. That does include coal. As much “progress” as everyone thinks we’re making by swatting down projects like this…I simply can’t wait until the opponents begin to feel the results of this and other decisions. Solar, wind, rainbows and unicorns. Once you realize your electric bills will SKYROCKET as we begin to depend on more alternative energy sources you all wont be as hyped about it. The rest of the world (India, China) will continue to build coal plants b/c its CHEAP. All youre doing is making the US UNCOMPETITIVE with the rest of the world. China will be paying $40 bucks a ton for coal b/c we’ve stopped using it and we’ll be paying thru the nose for wind power, unable to compete with China on anything b/c so much of our GDP will be going towards energy. Think electric cars are the solution? Where are we going to get the electricty to charge those cars if we’re not building cheap, reliable baseload generation from coal, or - god forbid - nuclear? Environmentalists ride unicorns in their fantasy worlds. Bryan St. James is correct. The only solution is a balanced one. That does include coal.
As much “progress” as everyone thinks we’re making by swatting down projects like this…I simply can’t wait until the opponents begin to feel the results of this and other decisions. Solar, wind, rainbows and unicorns. Once you realize your electric bills will SKYROCKET as we begin to depend on more alternative energy sources you all wont be as hyped about it. The rest of the world (India, China) will continue to build coal plants b/c its CHEAP. All youre doing is making the US UNCOMPETITIVE with the rest of the world. China will be paying $40 bucks a ton for coal b/c we’ve stopped using it and we’ll be paying thru the nose for wind power, unable to compete with China on anything b/c so much of our GDP will be going towards energy. Think electric cars are the solution? Where are we going to get the electricty to charge those cars if we’re not building cheap, reliable baseload generation from coal, or – god forbid – nuclear? Environmentalists ride unicorns in their fantasy worlds.

]]> By: Jake Brewer http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70511 Jake Brewer Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:00:16 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70511 Well written and important post, Kai. Glad to see the EPA taking such immediate, bold action. Well written and important post, Kai.

Glad to see the EPA taking such immediate, bold action.

]]> By: Change Dominion http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70499 Change Dominion Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:42:29 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70499 Great news, and great post! I'm eager to know what the implications might be for Dominion Resources' Wise County coal-fired plant in southwestern VA. On top of the pollution and greenhouse gases generated by this proposed plant, it will be fueled by mountaintop removal mining coal, which destroys the watershed AND eliminates the class A wind sites we will need in the coming era of zero-carbon renewable energy. I hope IGHIH will provide updates on the implications for Wise Co. and other pending coal plants. Great news, and great post! I’m eager to know what the implications might be for Dominion Resources’ Wise County coal-fired plant in southwestern VA. On top of the pollution and greenhouse gases generated by this proposed plant, it will be fueled by mountaintop removal mining coal, which destroys the watershed AND eliminates the class A wind sites we will need in the coming era of zero-carbon renewable energy. I hope IGHIH will provide updates on the implications for Wise Co. and other pending coal plants.

]]> By: Brian http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2009/01/23/obama-epa-overturns-big-stone-ii-sdmn-air-permit/#comment-70492 Brian Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:23:57 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/?p=8383#comment-70492 There could be no better investment in America than to invest in America becoming energy independent! We need to utilize everything in out power to reduce our dependence on foreign oil including using our own natural resources. Create cheap clean energy, new badly needed green jobs, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. OPEC will continue to cut production until they achieve their desired 80-100. per barrel. The high cost of fuel this past year seriously damaged our economy and society. Oil is finite. We are using oil globally at the rate of 2X faster than new oil is being discovered. We need to take some of these billions in bail out bucks and bail ourselves out of our dependence on foreign oil.If all gasoline cars, trucks, and SUV's instead had plug-in electric drive trains, the amount of electricity needed to replace gasoline is about equal to the estimated wind energy potential of the state of North Dakota. Jeff Wilson has a really good new book out called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence Now. He explores our uses of oil besides gasoline, our depletion, out reserves and stores as well as viable options to replace oil.Oil is finite, it will run out in the not too distant future. WE need to take some of these billions in bail out bucks and bail America out of it's dependence on foreign oil. The historic high price of gas this past year did serious damage to our economy and society. WE should never allow others to have that much power over our economy again. I wish every member of congress would read this book too. http//www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com There could be no better investment in America than to invest in America becoming energy independent! We need to utilize everything in out power to reduce our dependence on foreign oil including using our own natural resources. Create cheap clean energy, new badly needed green jobs, and reduce our dependence on foreign oil. OPEC will continue to cut production until they achieve their desired 80-100. per barrel. The high cost of fuel this past year seriously damaged our economy and society. Oil is finite. We are using oil globally at the rate of 2X faster than new oil is being discovered. We need to take some of these billions in bail out bucks and bail ourselves out of our dependence on foreign oil.If all gasoline cars, trucks, and SUV’s instead had plug-in electric drive trains, the amount of electricity needed to replace gasoline is about equal to the estimated wind energy potential of the state of North Dakota. Jeff Wilson has a really good new book out called The Manhattan Project of 2009 Energy Independence Now. He explores our uses of oil besides gasoline, our depletion, out reserves and stores as well as viable options to replace oil.Oil is finite, it will run out in the not too distant future. WE need to take some of these billions in bail out bucks and bail America out of it’s dependence on foreign oil. The historic high price of gas this past year did serious damage to our economy and society. WE should never allow others to have that much power over our economy again. I wish every member of congress would read this book too.
http//www.themanhattanprojectof2009.com

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