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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hannah - 

From just a thermodynamic standpoint, it sounds like E-coal involves humans obtaining large amounts of biomass and concentrating it.  For all of coal&#039;s problems, natural processes did the processing ahead of time.  My biggest concern with biomass in general is that we had to go to coal because there was not enough energy in single generations of biomass (e.g., UK went to coal during the Industrial Revolution because they were nearly out of wood).  With many countries such as India and China still in need of economic development, we are likely going to need economic energy storage for renewables,higher energy density fuels beyond the hydrocarbons, or both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hannah &#8211; </p>
<p>From just a thermodynamic standpoint, it sounds like E-coal involves humans obtaining large amounts of biomass and concentrating it.  For all of coal&#8217;s problems, natural processes did the processing ahead of time.  My biggest concern with biomass in general is that we had to go to coal because there was not enough energy in single generations of biomass (e.g., UK went to coal during the Industrial Revolution because they were nearly out of wood).  With many countries such as India and China still in need of economic development, we are likely going to need economic energy storage for renewables,higher energy density fuels beyond the hydrocarbons, or both.</p>
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		<title>By: WTF is E-Coal?</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[WTF is E-Coal?]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 01:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] By Alex Tinker. Cross-posted from ItsGettingHotInHere.org [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 12:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A fascinating article, though E-coal is still made of wood.  I am not sure there is enough wood to replace coal.  I would think that natural gas would be the combustion fuel in a carbon transition economy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A fascinating article, though E-coal is still made of wood.  I am not sure there is enough wood to replace coal.  I would think that natural gas would be the combustion fuel in a carbon transition economy.</p>
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		<title>By: hannah morgan</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 05:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But remember it’s not grey CO2 but natural green CO2.because it does not want to contribute to Global Warming.&quot; (p. 4)

Interesting concept, but what do they mean by &quot;green CO2&quot; that is produced by burning this stuff? Does anyone know if there is a difference between &quot;dirty CO2&quot; and &quot;greenwashed C02&quot; ??

&quot;For example, NewEarth creates its woody biomass feedstock from short rotation energy crops that have been grown only on degraded land or in the ocean, which does not compete with food crops.&quot; (p. 4)

Degraded land? In my short life I&#039;ve never heard of land that did not have value simply by virtue of the fact that it is LAND. The only &quot;degraded&quot; land might be land that has been destroyed by human consumption/destruction. Does that mean they&#039;ll be growing these &quot;sustainable&quot; and &quot;non-food source competing&quot; trees/biomass on SuperFund sites? And what about procuring this biomass from the ocean? While humans might not reside directly in the ocean, other living things do and I doubt that there is a form of biomass extraction from the ocean that is not disruptive to the natural aquatic ecosystem.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But remember it’s not grey CO2 but natural green CO2.because it does not want to contribute to Global Warming.&#8221; (p. 4)</p>
<p>Interesting concept, but what do they mean by &#8220;green CO2&#8243; that is produced by burning this stuff? Does anyone know if there is a difference between &#8220;dirty CO2&#8243; and &#8220;greenwashed C02&#8243; ??</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, NewEarth creates its woody biomass feedstock from short rotation energy crops that have been grown only on degraded land or in the ocean, which does not compete with food crops.&#8221; (p. 4)</p>
<p>Degraded land? In my short life I&#8217;ve never heard of land that did not have value simply by virtue of the fact that it is LAND. The only &#8220;degraded&#8221; land might be land that has been destroyed by human consumption/destruction. Does that mean they&#8217;ll be growing these &#8220;sustainable&#8221; and &#8220;non-food source competing&#8221; trees/biomass on SuperFund sites? And what about procuring this biomass from the ocean? While humans might not reside directly in the ocean, other living things do and I doubt that there is a form of biomass extraction from the ocean that is not disruptive to the natural aquatic ecosystem.</p>
<p>Others&#8217; thoughts?</p>
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