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	<title>Comments on: Which Path Will the Youth Climate Movement Take?</title>
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		<title>By: Climate Progress &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Which Path Will the Youth Climate Movement Take?</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/12/06/which-path-will-the-youth-climate-movement-take/#comment-74096</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] my effort to highlight other climate bloggers, I&#039;m reprinting this post from Richard Graves, of It&#039;s Getting Hot in Here, since it&#039;s their future we &quot;adults&quot; are [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my effort to highlight other climate bloggers, I&#8217;m reprinting this post from Richard Graves, of It&#8217;s Getting Hot in Here, since it&#8217;s their future we &#8220;adults&#8221; are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a member of the Australian crew who was at Poznan, I&#039;d like to defend myself and the other Aus youth delegates from the above comment/snark by simply saying that it&#039;s assumptions are largely untrue, and the sentiment behind it is simply divisive and disrespectful.

I won&#039;t bother retaliating to each of the points raised, as it&#039;s not worth my energy.

The team of 20 were a diverse group, doing our best to save the climate in whatever way we know how, much like ASEN (Australian Student Environment Network). Each of the team members got a lot out of the experience. We met, learned, and shared perspectives with other activists, of all stripes, from across the world. We are individually taking back our experiences to our respective organisations - including ASEN - and we have learnt how the project could be better organised, more inclusive, and more radical for Copenhagen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member of the Australian crew who was at Poznan, I&#8217;d like to defend myself and the other Aus youth delegates from the above comment/snark by simply saying that it&#8217;s assumptions are largely untrue, and the sentiment behind it is simply divisive and disrespectful.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t bother retaliating to each of the points raised, as it&#8217;s not worth my energy.</p>
<p>The team of 20 were a diverse group, doing our best to save the climate in whatever way we know how, much like ASEN (Australian Student Environment Network). Each of the team members got a lot out of the experience. We met, learned, and shared perspectives with other activists, of all stripes, from across the world. We are individually taking back our experiences to our respective organisations &#8211; including ASEN &#8211; and we have learnt how the project could be better organised, more inclusive, and more radical for Copenhagen.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/12/06/which-path-will-the-youth-climate-movement-take/#comment-70107</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Holly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 04:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the article, but I feel like the &quot;youth climate movement&quot; that emerges at gatherings of global governments has chosen its path.  Certainly this year&#039;s delegation from Australia were university-educated and upper-middle class; they were not elected by youth on this continent; they did not seek input nor attempt consultation with youth broadly nor the memberships of their organisations; and they did not fund or support Australian Aboriginal youth in attending the Poznan talks.  

So long as this is the make-up and leadership of the &quot;global youth climate movement&quot;,  the path is chosen, and it&#039;s not &quot;fearless&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the article, but I feel like the &#8220;youth climate movement&#8221; that emerges at gatherings of global governments has chosen its path.  Certainly this year&#8217;s delegation from Australia were university-educated and upper-middle class; they were not elected by youth on this continent; they did not seek input nor attempt consultation with youth broadly nor the memberships of their organisations; and they did not fund or support Australian Aboriginal youth in attending the Poznan talks.  </p>
<p>So long as this is the make-up and leadership of the &#8220;global youth climate movement&#8221;,  the path is chosen, and it&#8217;s not &#8220;fearless&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Pangolin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pangolin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 10:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re hurting me here. If you kids knew how much you sound like &#039;80s college peace groups (who achieved bupkiss) you&#039;d puke. The path that you had better take should be direct action, on the street level where everyone can see you followed by big friendly parties. 

The bike people already know this. Bicycle activism is booming, creating new classes of bicycles and attracting new riders who voluntarily refuse carnage. They do it by being visible and athletic and fun. Hall marching, suit wearing and power-phrased statements of intention reflect more on intentions to leverage careers than get anything done. 

If the youth had any balls at all they would be all over Biochar conversion of urban green waste and conversion to Terra Preta nova gardens in odd places. You&#039;d be raising figs, and prunes and bamboo to plant in median strips to raise awareness of food miles and paper industry deforestation.  You&#039;d be building cob shacks for homeless people in full knowledge that they will be torn down just to demonstrate that homes don&#039;t mean 2K sq. ft. for two super-commuters. 

Instead I see lame signs held up for the other conference hoppers before the trip back to the hotel room and the inevitable jet flight home. Losers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re hurting me here. If you kids knew how much you sound like &#8217;80s college peace groups (who achieved bupkiss) you&#8217;d puke. The path that you had better take should be direct action, on the street level where everyone can see you followed by big friendly parties. </p>
<p>The bike people already know this. Bicycle activism is booming, creating new classes of bicycles and attracting new riders who voluntarily refuse carnage. They do it by being visible and athletic and fun. Hall marching, suit wearing and power-phrased statements of intention reflect more on intentions to leverage careers than get anything done. </p>
<p>If the youth had any balls at all they would be all over Biochar conversion of urban green waste and conversion to Terra Preta nova gardens in odd places. You&#8217;d be raising figs, and prunes and bamboo to plant in median strips to raise awareness of food miles and paper industry deforestation.  You&#8217;d be building cob shacks for homeless people in full knowledge that they will be torn down just to demonstrate that homes don&#8217;t mean 2K sq. ft. for two super-commuters. </p>
<p>Instead I see lame signs held up for the other conference hoppers before the trip back to the hotel room and the inevitable jet flight home. Losers.</p>
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		<title>By: Teryn Norris</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/12/06/which-path-will-the-youth-climate-movement-take/#comment-69807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Teryn Norris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 00:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard, thanks for writing this post.  You raise an important question about the role of youth.  While I agree with you that young people should be more active in pressuring our leaders on climate solutions, I think it matters a great deal what kind of policy solutions we push.  It&#039;s not enough to chant &quot;80 by 50&quot; and &quot;green jobs.&quot;  So it&#039;s important that young people have clarity about the policy analysis, especially about the scale of investments we need in clean energy technology development and deployment.

I also think the youth climate movement has ignored a vital segment of the youth population -- scientists and engineers.  We&#039;ve talked about &quot;green jobs&quot; to install solar panels and retrofit buildings, but from what Jesse Jenkins and I have seen, there&#039;s been very little focus on the &quot;green jobs&quot; of engineering and laboratory research.  We need a generation of innovators even larger than the Sputnik generation, yet we&#039;re falling behind in STEM education.  Andy Revkin wrote a great post about this yesterday on Dot Earth, &lt;a href=&quot;http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/are-chemists-engineers-on-green-jobs-list&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Are Chemists, Engineers on Green Jobs List?&lt;/a&gt;&quot;

On the college campus level, this means organizing more students to advocate for greater education and research around low-carbon energy technology and science.  Instead of asking college students to simply push for campus carbon neutrality, let’s help them push to establish new majors, new professors, and new centers for clean energy innovation.  Knowledge creation, education, and research – these are the comparative advantages of our institutions of higher education, and we should be doing everything we can to leverage them for climate solutions.

We also need some sort of “National Energy Education Act” -- modeled after the National Defense Education Act of 1958, which created the human capital necessary to win the space race and launch the world into the information age -- that would provide billions of federal dollars to support the creation of these university research and education centers, to provide undergraduate scholarships and graduate fellowships in the energy sciences, offer grants for more energy research projects, and fund ARPA-E.  Jesse and I proposed an idea like this over the summer in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/30/EDP9121D56.DTL&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;San Francisco Chronicle&lt;/a&gt; and Baltimore Sun (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thebreakthrough.org/blog/Sun%20NEEA%20oped.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PDF&lt;/a&gt;), and Chris Mooney &lt;a href=&quot;http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/2008/11/national_energy_education_act.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;featured it in Mother Jones&lt;/a&gt;.  I also gave a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=744RAOGRzdk&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;short interview about it here&lt;/a&gt;.

So yes, let’s get more young people to advocate with fearless tactics, but let’s also make sure our generation is prepared for the energy innovation challenge.  We’re going to be fighting this war for the rest of our lives -- we’d better have the brains to win it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, thanks for writing this post.  You raise an important question about the role of youth.  While I agree with you that young people should be more active in pressuring our leaders on climate solutions, I think it matters a great deal what kind of policy solutions we push.  It&#8217;s not enough to chant &#8220;80 by 50&#8243; and &#8220;green jobs.&#8221;  So it&#8217;s important that young people have clarity about the policy analysis, especially about the scale of investments we need in clean energy technology development and deployment.</p>
<p>I also think the youth climate movement has ignored a vital segment of the youth population &#8212; scientists and engineers.  We&#8217;ve talked about &#8220;green jobs&#8221; to install solar panels and retrofit buildings, but from what Jesse Jenkins and I have seen, there&#8217;s been very little focus on the &#8220;green jobs&#8221; of engineering and laboratory research.  We need a generation of innovators even larger than the Sputnik generation, yet we&#8217;re falling behind in STEM education.  Andy Revkin wrote a great post about this yesterday on Dot Earth, <a href="http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/are-chemists-engineers-on-green-jobs-list" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Are Chemists, Engineers on Green Jobs List?</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>On the college campus level, this means organizing more students to advocate for greater education and research around low-carbon energy technology and science.  Instead of asking college students to simply push for campus carbon neutrality, let’s help them push to establish new majors, new professors, and new centers for clean energy innovation.  Knowledge creation, education, and research – these are the comparative advantages of our institutions of higher education, and we should be doing everything we can to leverage them for climate solutions.</p>
<p>We also need some sort of “National Energy Education Act” &#8212; modeled after the National Defense Education Act of 1958, which created the human capital necessary to win the space race and launch the world into the information age &#8212; that would provide billions of federal dollars to support the creation of these university research and education centers, to provide undergraduate scholarships and graduate fellowships in the energy sciences, offer grants for more energy research projects, and fund ARPA-E.  Jesse and I proposed an idea like this over the summer in the <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/30/EDP9121D56.DTL" rel="nofollow">San Francisco Chronicle</a> and Baltimore Sun (<a href="http://www.thebreakthrough.org/blog/Sun%20NEEA%20oped.pdf" rel="nofollow">PDF</a>), and Chris Mooney <a href="http://thebreakthrough.org/blog/2008/11/national_energy_education_act.shtml" rel="nofollow">featured it in Mother Jones</a>.  I also gave a <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=744RAOGRzdk" rel="nofollow">short interview about it here</a>.</p>
<p>So yes, let’s get more young people to advocate with fearless tactics, but let’s also make sure our generation is prepared for the energy innovation challenge.  We’re going to be fighting this war for the rest of our lives &#8212; we’d better have the brains to win it.</p>
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		<title>By: setenergy</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/12/06/which-path-will-the-youth-climate-movement-take/#comment-69701</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[setenergy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome post and discussion!

    The more we can respect each other (streets respecting suits and suits respecting streets), the better. And if we can coordinate our actions to make maximum impact, we&#039;ll be set for strong progress in the months and years ahead!
    
    Let&#039;s see what we can do to keep emissions falling in the US and even China even when economic growth recovers (see details of ~2.5% US emissions drop in &#039;08 at: 
http://setenergy.org/2008/11/13/a-banner-year-for-us-climate-research-sees-sharp-emissions-drop/

and China electricity generation falling 10+% in November at:
http://setenergy.org/2008/12/05/china-power-generation-falls-record-amount-climate-hope-alive/

Onwards,
    Dennis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post and discussion!</p>
<p>    The more we can respect each other (streets respecting suits and suits respecting streets), the better. And if we can coordinate our actions to make maximum impact, we&#8217;ll be set for strong progress in the months and years ahead!</p>
<p>    Let&#8217;s see what we can do to keep emissions falling in the US and even China even when economic growth recovers (see details of ~2.5% US emissions drop in &#8217;08 at:<br />
<a href="http://setenergy.org/2008/11/13/a-banner-year-for-us-climate-research-sees-sharp-emissions-drop/" rel="nofollow">http://setenergy.org/2008/11/13/a-banner-year-for-us-climate-research-sees-sharp-emissions-drop/</a></p>
<p>and China electricity generation falling 10+% in November at:<br />
<a href="http://setenergy.org/2008/12/05/china-power-generation-falls-record-amount-climate-hope-alive/" rel="nofollow">http://setenergy.org/2008/12/05/china-power-generation-falls-record-amount-climate-hope-alive/</a></p>
<p>Onwards,<br />
    Dennis</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/12/06/which-path-will-the-youth-climate-movement-take/#comment-69697</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Jenkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Josh.  We&#039;ve got to be savvy and skilled enough to work both inside and outside of the building, and we shouldn&#039;t be afraid to bring the same clarity and passion we express in protests and rallies into lobby meetings and negotiations.  It&#039;s inside the building that decisions are made, and if we don&#039;t take our place at that table, we&#039;ll be absent when the deal is done.  At the same time, we shouldn&#039;t forget our role as a social movement - not just another NGO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Josh.  We&#8217;ve got to be savvy and skilled enough to work both inside and outside of the building, and we shouldn&#8217;t be afraid to bring the same clarity and passion we express in protests and rallies into lobby meetings and negotiations.  It&#8217;s inside the building that decisions are made, and if we don&#8217;t take our place at that table, we&#8217;ll be absent when the deal is done.  At the same time, we shouldn&#8217;t forget our role as a social movement &#8211; not just another NGO.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Tulkin</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/12/06/which-path-will-the-youth-climate-movement-take/#comment-69684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Josh Tulkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that the young people have to remain fearless and unwavering in our convictions, particularly at these talks. We should never sacrifice our principles, and we must resist pressure from those who tell us we are &quot;disrupting progress&quot; through protest.  

That said, I&#039;m proud of the young people who bring our moral views into the board rooms and the negotiating rooms.  Sometimes that requires a suit, but it doesn&#039;t mean a person has sold out, and we need to resist the urge to demonize.  If I had my way, youth would be leading these meetings inside the conference center and in the streets.  There is a place for both in a good strategy.  

That said, we are always at bigger risk of loosing our edge, and that is the tactic we should be most vigilant in protecting.  Keep up the great work!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the young people have to remain fearless and unwavering in our convictions, particularly at these talks. We should never sacrifice our principles, and we must resist pressure from those who tell us we are &#8220;disrupting progress&#8221; through protest.  </p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m proud of the young people who bring our moral views into the board rooms and the negotiating rooms.  Sometimes that requires a suit, but it doesn&#8217;t mean a person has sold out, and we need to resist the urge to demonize.  If I had my way, youth would be leading these meetings inside the conference center and in the streets.  There is a place for both in a good strategy.  </p>
<p>That said, we are always at bigger risk of loosing our edge, and that is the tactic we should be most vigilant in protecting.  Keep up the great work!</p>
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		<title>By: W Robichaud</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[W Robichaud]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:30:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strange is it not? 


(1) EU ENVIRONMENT MINISTERS STRIPPED OF THEIR POWER OVER CLIMATE BILL
    Wiesbadener Kurier, 5 December 2008

(2) EUROPE DEADLOCKED ON CLIMATE BILL
    Deutsche Welle, 4 December 2008
 
(3) GERMANY&#039;S IMPLICIT VETO THREAT: &#039;NO EU CLIMATE BILL WITHOUT GLOBAL AGREEMENT&#039;
    AFP, 4 December 2008

(4) POLAND DEMANDS EXEMPTION FROM EU EMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME
    AFP, 5 December 2008

(5) GRIM FACES AT POZNAN CLIMATE CONFERENCE
    The Green Blog, 4 December 2008

(6) RICH, POOR IN DISPUTE OVER CLIMATE CASH AND CARBON OFFSETS
    Reuters, 4 December 2008

(7) ROGER HELMER WARNS OF &#039;DEVASTATING EFFECT&#039; OF EU CLIMATE POLICY
    Freedom Association, 4 December 2008

(8) BARACK OBAMA BREAKS FIRST CAMPAIGN PROMISE BY DROPPING OIL TAX
    The Daily Telegraph, 5 December 2008

(9) OPINION: OBAMA&#039;S ENVIRONMENTAL TEST
    The Wall Street Journal, 5 December 2008

(10) OPINION: TIME FOR THE BBC TO CHILL OUT
    The Clamour of the Times, 4 December 2008

(11) ASIAN BROWN CLOUD
     Andrew Hamilton [jahamiltonjr@gmail.com]

(12) AND FINALLY: ELECTRIC SHOCK &amp; HOROR AS SALES OF GREEN CARS GO INTO REVERSE
     The Times, 4 December 2008]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strange is it not? </p>
<p>(1) EU ENVIRONMENT MINISTERS STRIPPED OF THEIR POWER OVER CLIMATE BILL<br />
    Wiesbadener Kurier, 5 December 2008</p>
<p>(2) EUROPE DEADLOCKED ON CLIMATE BILL<br />
    Deutsche Welle, 4 December 2008</p>
<p>(3) GERMANY&#8217;S IMPLICIT VETO THREAT: &#8216;NO EU CLIMATE BILL WITHOUT GLOBAL AGREEMENT&#8217;<br />
    AFP, 4 December 2008</p>
<p>(4) POLAND DEMANDS EXEMPTION FROM EU EMISSIONS TRADING SCHEME<br />
    AFP, 5 December 2008</p>
<p>(5) GRIM FACES AT POZNAN CLIMATE CONFERENCE<br />
    The Green Blog, 4 December 2008</p>
<p>(6) RICH, POOR IN DISPUTE OVER CLIMATE CASH AND CARBON OFFSETS<br />
    Reuters, 4 December 2008</p>
<p>(7) ROGER HELMER WARNS OF &#8216;DEVASTATING EFFECT&#8217; OF EU CLIMATE POLICY<br />
    Freedom Association, 4 December 2008</p>
<p>(8) BARACK OBAMA BREAKS FIRST CAMPAIGN PROMISE BY DROPPING OIL TAX<br />
    The Daily Telegraph, 5 December 2008</p>
<p>(9) OPINION: OBAMA&#8217;S ENVIRONMENTAL TEST<br />
    The Wall Street Journal, 5 December 2008</p>
<p>(10) OPINION: TIME FOR THE BBC TO CHILL OUT<br />
    The Clamour of the Times, 4 December 2008</p>
<p>(11) ASIAN BROWN CLOUD<br />
     Andrew Hamilton [jahamiltonjr@gmail.com]</p>
<p>(12) AND FINALLY: ELECTRIC SHOCK &amp; HOROR AS SALES OF GREEN CARS GO INTO REVERSE<br />
     The Times, 4 December 2008</p>
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		<title>By: KellyB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KellyB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on, Richard!  You&#039;ve said it well... true that it may not be a dichotomy, but sometimes it&#039;s helpful to look at it that way even briefly to understand the general trend that a movement is tending to go in.  Real action is urgent, and it&#039;s gettin&#039; late!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on, Richard!  You&#8217;ve said it well&#8230; true that it may not be a dichotomy, but sometimes it&#8217;s helpful to look at it that way even briefly to understand the general trend that a movement is tending to go in.  Real action is urgent, and it&#8217;s gettin&#8217; late!</p>
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