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	<title>Comments on: Your Input Is Crucial! Shape the International Youth Message at COP 14</title>
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		<title>By: Halfway there? The long and bumpy road to Copenhagen &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
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		<dc:creator>Halfway there? The long and bumpy road to Copenhagen &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Bali roadmap, which has become more like a treasure-hunt, brings many daunting challenges to Poznan. From tackling issues of deforestation in tropical forest to insurance schemes to help countries recover from extreme climate change-related losses, Poznan is happening in the midst of global financial crisis that many countries are already using as escape-goat for dumping climate goals and continuing the decades of inaction and unsustainable economic policies. The stakes are high, yet ideas are not flowing. The developed countries’ proposals on technology transfer and   finance for mitigation and adaptation are a carbon copy of the failed regulation mechanisms of modern history, yet somehow they are asking developing nations to take bold steps in order to achieve an agreement. For something meaningful to come out of the agreement next year, Poznan must set a new path. Rather that trying fixing our future on new-yet-dirty of the same fuels that have gotten us in trouble, we need a vision of world where well-being is not coupled with greenhouse gases. There will be over 500 young people in Poznan, and they have been organizing for months. Over this weekend they will come together at Conference of Youth to finish their strategy, and over the next two weeks youth from across the planet will be contributing to itsgettinghotinhere.org  , giving their perspective on the process and their suggestions for fixing the planet we will inherit. You can also contribute with your message by sharing your views with COP14 youth messaging team [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Bali roadmap, which has become more like a treasure-hunt, brings many daunting challenges to Poznan. From tackling issues of deforestation in tropical forest to insurance schemes to help countries recover from extreme climate change-related losses, Poznan is happening in the midst of global financial crisis that many countries are already using as escape-goat for dumping climate goals and continuing the decades of inaction and unsustainable economic policies. The stakes are high, yet ideas are not flowing. The developed countries’ proposals on technology transfer and   finance for mitigation and adaptation are a carbon copy of the failed regulation mechanisms of modern history, yet somehow they are asking developing nations to take bold steps in order to achieve an agreement. For something meaningful to come out of the agreement next year, Poznan must set a new path. Rather that trying fixing our future on new-yet-dirty of the same fuels that have gotten us in trouble, we need a vision of world where well-being is not coupled with greenhouse gases. There will be over 500 young people in Poznan, and they have been organizing for months. Over this weekend they will come together at Conference of Youth to finish their strategy, and over the next two weeks youth from across the planet will be contributing to itsgettinghotinhere.org  , giving their perspective on the process and their suggestions for fixing the planet we will inherit. You can also contribute with your message by sharing your views with COP14 youth messaging team [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, lack of representation is a key problem. That&#039;s why we&#039;re trying to have this discussion in public areas, so other youth can see it and contribute.

It seems like a lot of youth groups already agreed to a slogan like Our Climate Our Future.

I think it would be more productive to focus our limited time on policy messages. Then we will know what to lobby for. I can&#039;t tell the American government Our Climate Our Future. They won&#039;t know how that would translate into an actual policy they could support (or oppose...)

Let&#039;s see how many youth delegations would agree to 350 ppm as an overall policy goal.

Ryan, good call on technology transfer. That seems like another area where youth are largely in agreement.

What kind of short phrase about technology transfer could we develop and see how many youth delegations support it?

It could be as simple as &quot;Support Tech Transfer&quot; or something more clever.

Financing mechanisms, especially fund vs. market mechanism for combating deforestation will be hug, although I&#039;m not sure we&#039;ll have time to develop policy messages for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, lack of representation is a key problem. That&#8217;s why we&#8217;re trying to have this discussion in public areas, so other youth can see it and contribute.</p>
<p>It seems like a lot of youth groups already agreed to a slogan like Our Climate Our Future.</p>
<p>I think it would be more productive to focus our limited time on policy messages. Then we will know what to lobby for. I can&#8217;t tell the American government Our Climate Our Future. They won&#8217;t know how that would translate into an actual policy they could support (or oppose&#8230;)</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see how many youth delegations would agree to 350 ppm as an overall policy goal.</p>
<p>Ryan, good call on technology transfer. That seems like another area where youth are largely in agreement.</p>
<p>What kind of short phrase about technology transfer could we develop and see how many youth delegations support it?</p>
<p>It could be as simple as &#8220;Support Tech Transfer&#8221; or something more clever.</p>
<p>Financing mechanisms, especially fund vs. market mechanism for combating deforestation will be hug, although I&#8217;m not sure we&#8217;ll have time to develop policy messages for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pasha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 21:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Kyle has outlined a good approach in terms of the overarching issues. And Ryan also has some good points regarding the specifics of how the overarching goals might be reached. 

Would just like to point out in relatin to the visioning mentioned by Liz that the Alliance of Small Islands States AOSIS has recently agreed that 350pmm and 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels as an objective that would be more likely to allow for the rights to survival of small islands developing states. 

Any higher than that and the vital coral reefs that provide food security and buffers from storm surge will likely suffer from ocean acidification as well as the temperature and sea level rise issues we already are well aware of. Perhaps as much or more than terrestrial forests, healthy oceans are key to the long term viability of our planet. 

Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Kyle has outlined a good approach in terms of the overarching issues. And Ryan also has some good points regarding the specifics of how the overarching goals might be reached. </p>
<p>Would just like to point out in relatin to the visioning mentioned by Liz that the Alliance of Small Islands States AOSIS has recently agreed that 350pmm and 1.5 degrees above pre-industrial levels as an objective that would be more likely to allow for the rights to survival of small islands developing states. </p>
<p>Any higher than that and the vital coral reefs that provide food security and buffers from storm surge will likely suffer from ocean acidification as well as the temperature and sea level rise issues we already are well aware of. Perhaps as much or more than terrestrial forests, healthy oceans are key to the long term viability of our planet. </p>
<p>Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Teo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Teo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,
  This is Ryan from Singapore, a tiny country in South East Asia. =)
  I noticed some issues and I would just like to divert some attention to them.

1. Lack of representation from other parts of the world, a.k.a. Asia, Africa, Latin America

I know that it&#039;s difficult, but perhaps, it&#039;s easier to work within regional groups, as solutions, policies and messages may differ from region to region.

2. Technology transfer
There&#039;s a lot of energy in this debate from youths, and that&#039;s really awesome.
Personally, I&#039;m studying engineering, and I feel that for environmental issues, the campaigns and policies should also be supplemented by technical solutions.

3. Financing
I hope that there is more input from people from a financial background, as I strongly believe that solutions need to be sustainable also financially.

Thank you,
Ryan
www.e3alive.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,<br />
  This is Ryan from Singapore, a tiny country in South East Asia. =)<br />
  I noticed some issues and I would just like to divert some attention to them.</p>
<p>1. Lack of representation from other parts of the world, a.k.a. Asia, Africa, Latin America</p>
<p>I know that it&#8217;s difficult, but perhaps, it&#8217;s easier to work within regional groups, as solutions, policies and messages may differ from region to region.</p>
<p>2. Technology transfer<br />
There&#8217;s a lot of energy in this debate from youths, and that&#8217;s really awesome.<br />
Personally, I&#8217;m studying engineering, and I feel that for environmental issues, the campaigns and policies should also be supplemented by technical solutions.</p>
<p>3. Financing<br />
I hope that there is more input from people from a financial background, as I strongly believe that solutions need to be sustainable also financially.</p>
<p>Thank you,<br />
Ryan<br />
<a href="http://www.e3alive.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.e3alive.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anna Keenan (Australia)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Keenan (Australia)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Our Climate, Our Future&quot;

or even

&quot;Our Climate, Our Future: not negotiable&quot;

It is inclusive, it is youth-focused, and it takes ownership of the future, while the personal pronoun acutally puts a human face on the message, not just talking about an abstract &#039;the&#039; or &#039;one&#039; climate.

Also, in case it is interpreted that &#039;our&#039; is exclusively referring to youth, and thus excluding older people, we can simply tell them that no, it is THEIR future too. &#039;Our&#039; refers to everbody!

350ppm I think is prudent for youth to support, and is necessary. (And it makes 550ppm totally out of the question! Aiming for &#039;450&#039; or for &#039;2 degrees&#039; makes 550ppm seem closer to a &#039;reasonable compromise&#039;, which is of course, bulls**t.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our Climate, Our Future&#8221;</p>
<p>or even</p>
<p>&#8220;Our Climate, Our Future: not negotiable&#8221;</p>
<p>It is inclusive, it is youth-focused, and it takes ownership of the future, while the personal pronoun acutally puts a human face on the message, not just talking about an abstract &#8216;the&#8217; or &#8216;one&#8217; climate.</p>
<p>Also, in case it is interpreted that &#8216;our&#8217; is exclusively referring to youth, and thus excluding older people, we can simply tell them that no, it is THEIR future too. &#8216;Our&#8217; refers to everbody!</p>
<p>350ppm I think is prudent for youth to support, and is necessary. (And it makes 550ppm totally out of the question! Aiming for &#8216;450&#8242; or for &#8216;2 degrees&#8217; makes 550ppm seem closer to a &#8216;reasonable compromise&#8217;, which is of course, bulls**t.)</p>
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		<title>By: Liz McDowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Liz McDowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 09:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

On an even broader level than where Kyle started, I&#039;d also like to see a youth vision somewhere in this. The most powerful messaging we have, in my opinion, is when we can paint a vivid picture of the world we want to live in, which can only exist if we address climate change now. 

So I&#039;d like to see things like green jobs, resilient communities, a safe future, stable global economy, etc. To have these things, we need to create a strong global climate agreement now. Then comes all the other messaging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>On an even broader level than where Kyle started, I&#8217;d also like to see a youth vision somewhere in this. The most powerful messaging we have, in my opinion, is when we can paint a vivid picture of the world we want to live in, which can only exist if we address climate change now. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;d like to see things like green jobs, resilient communities, a safe future, stable global economy, etc. To have these things, we need to create a strong global climate agreement now. Then comes all the other messaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Caroilne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caroilne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there:
I think a primary issue to focus on is that industrialized countries must take a leadership role in committing to meaningful targets for mitigation, for post-2012.  This seems to me the first, and one of the most crucial, steps in the negotiations.  If industrialized nations demonstrate they are serious in taking climate action, developing nations will be more likely to consider taking on commitments.  Hesitation from the industrialized world only delays global, more comprehensive action.

Industrialized countries should commit to taking real action to solve the problem that we have largely produced.

Caroline</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there:<br />
I think a primary issue to focus on is that industrialized countries must take a leadership role in committing to meaningful targets for mitigation, for post-2012.  This seems to me the first, and one of the most crucial, steps in the negotiations.  If industrialized nations demonstrate they are serious in taking climate action, developing nations will be more likely to consider taking on commitments.  Hesitation from the industrialized world only delays global, more comprehensive action.</p>
<p>Industrialized countries should commit to taking real action to solve the problem that we have largely produced.</p>
<p>Caroline</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest we focus on the overarching issues first before working on specific policies. 

How many youth delegates from how many countries would agree that we need a treaty that helps keep us below 350 ppm?

How many would agree to making sure an agreement limits global warming to less than 2 degrees C?

Moving a little lower:

How many would agree that an agreement cannot do these things without the United States showing leadership by signing on?


Below that would come specific policies like the very important deforestation/reforestation, land use, etc.

Start at the top, see which of those we can agree to, work our way further down the list as far as we can go with the time we have.

Start earlier for Copenhagen and repeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest we focus on the overarching issues first before working on specific policies. </p>
<p>How many youth delegates from how many countries would agree that we need a treaty that helps keep us below 350 ppm?</p>
<p>How many would agree to making sure an agreement limits global warming to less than 2 degrees C?</p>
<p>Moving a little lower:</p>
<p>How many would agree that an agreement cannot do these things without the United States showing leadership by signing on?</p>
<p>Below that would come specific policies like the very important deforestation/reforestation, land use, etc.</p>
<p>Start at the top, see which of those we can agree to, work our way further down the list as far as we can go with the time we have.</p>
<p>Start earlier for Copenhagen and repeat.</p>
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		<title>By: Lise Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lise Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wish for this years UNFCCC:
1. I wish for the USA to ratify
2. China to follow
3. Canada US and China all of a sudden pop out these super amazing enviro plans detailing how they will each one of them cut their CO2 emissions by 40%! below 1990 levels by 2020 and say jovially : &quot;Ha!Ha! Had you all fooled!&quot;
We all laugh and join hands a circle of United Nations

...sigh Utopia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wish for this years UNFCCC:<br />
1. I wish for the USA to ratify<br />
2. China to follow<br />
3. Canada US and China all of a sudden pop out these super amazing enviro plans detailing how they will each one of them cut their CO2 emissions by 40%! below 1990 levels by 2020 and say jovially : &#8220;Ha!Ha! Had you all fooled!&#8221;<br />
We all laugh and join hands a circle of United Nations</p>
<p>&#8230;sigh Utopia</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Aroneanu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Aroneanu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kodama,

I think you have a point - reforestation is key to restoring the Carbon balance to the earth. Deforestation alone accounts for up to 20% of all anthropogenic CO2 emissions, and we need to remedy that situation. But it&#039;s foolhardy to think that we can solve the climate crisis without dealing with the industrial revolution and the carbon emissions it has wrought. We need reforestation and biodiversity, but we also need clean energy and real sustainable development. We need all these things.

I would be in favor of using an umbrella vision under which we can specify points we&#039;d like to see addressed, such as deforestation, clean energy and a just transition to a carbon-free world.

Phil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kodama,</p>
<p>I think you have a point &#8211; reforestation is key to restoring the Carbon balance to the earth. Deforestation alone accounts for up to 20% of all anthropogenic CO2 emissions, and we need to remedy that situation. But it&#8217;s foolhardy to think that we can solve the climate crisis without dealing with the industrial revolution and the carbon emissions it has wrought. We need reforestation and biodiversity, but we also need clean energy and real sustainable development. We need all these things.</p>
<p>I would be in favor of using an umbrella vision under which we can specify points we&#8217;d like to see addressed, such as deforestation, clean energy and a just transition to a carbon-free world.</p>
<p>Phil</p>
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