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	<title>Comments on: The World&#8217;s Newest Island? The North Pole!</title>
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	<description>Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ED</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/09/03/the-worlds-newest-island/#comment-67717</link>
		<dc:creator>ED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 03:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IT's worse than you say...the current CO2 concentration isn't just the highest of the last 650,000 years, which an earlier study showed...a later study showed it's the highest in 800,000 years!

See http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&#38;sid=ajiBydD5EHNs

See also http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5314592.stm

for that same figure. Index of ecology stories with a focus on climate (but not exclusively) is at http://economicdemocracy.org/eco/ (most recent stories at top...and going back to 1999 or so) which links to these two stories.

For every exaggeration (if any) there are facts that the science has been showing are much WORSE than predicted, or in this case, even worse than the website is claiming. 

But people care more about short term money making and their portfolios of stocks than about a liveable planet for their kids, so they go into denial</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IT&#8217;s worse than you say&#8230;the current CO2 concentration isn&#8217;t just the highest of the last 650,000 years, which an earlier study showed&#8230;a later study showed it&#8217;s the highest in 800,000 years!</p>
<p>See <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&amp;sid=ajiBydD5EHNs" rel="nofollow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601081&amp;sid=ajiBydD5EHNs</a></p>
<p>See also <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5314592.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5314592.stm</a></p>
<p>for that same figure. Index of ecology stories with a focus on climate (but not exclusively) is at <a href="http://economicdemocracy.org/eco/" rel="nofollow">http://economicdemocracy.org/eco/</a> (most recent stories at top&#8230;and going back to 1999 or so) which links to these two stories.</p>
<p>For every exaggeration (if any) there are facts that the science has been showing are much WORSE than predicted, or in this case, even worse than the website is claiming. </p>
<p>But people care more about short term money making and their portfolios of stocks than about a liveable planet for their kids, so they go into denial</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Treadgold</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/09/03/the-worlds-newest-island/#comment-67610</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Treadgold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 06:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since all the ice up there, as Andy Revkin points out, is floating above a deep ocean, there will never be an island at the North Pole; perhaps a new iceberg? In any case, there is doubt about the arctic encirclement.

Another thing: the polar air temperature has been going down slightly for the last few years, so there's been no warming. The ice might have been driven out of the area before the wind or ocean currents, then melting as it reached warmer regions. But it cannot be melting from local warming, since there has been none. Please don't say it has been warming in the arctic!

It is untrue that the Northwest Passage has been "frozen solid" "since the start of the last ice age". It was navigated by Amundsen in 1903, while the Northeast Passage has been known since the mid 19th century. See Wikipedia for both references. Your assertions (and your emphasis of "again, they’ve been frozen for 125,000 years") are negligent in the extreme.

The satellite surveillance of the polar regions is only about 30 years old. From that short record nobody knows what is "normal" for air and water circulation systems that are thousands of years old. To describe last year's "record" low sea ice extent as "terrifying news" says more about your weak nerves, or your lack of judgement, than the state of the arctic.

Cheers,
Richard Treadgold,
Convenor,
Climate Conversation Group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since all the ice up there, as Andy Revkin points out, is floating above a deep ocean, there will never be an island at the North Pole; perhaps a new iceberg? In any case, there is doubt about the arctic encirclement.</p>
<p>Another thing: the polar air temperature has been going down slightly for the last few years, so there&#8217;s been no warming. The ice might have been driven out of the area before the wind or ocean currents, then melting as it reached warmer regions. But it cannot be melting from local warming, since there has been none. Please don&#8217;t say it has been warming in the arctic!</p>
<p>It is untrue that the Northwest Passage has been &#8220;frozen solid&#8221; &#8220;since the start of the last ice age&#8221;. It was navigated by Amundsen in 1903, while the Northeast Passage has been known since the mid 19th century. See Wikipedia for both references. Your assertions (and your emphasis of &#8220;again, they’ve been frozen for 125,000 years&#8221;) are negligent in the extreme.</p>
<p>The satellite surveillance of the polar regions is only about 30 years old. From that short record nobody knows what is &#8220;normal&#8221; for air and water circulation systems that are thousands of years old. To describe last year&#8217;s &#8220;record&#8221; low sea ice extent as &#8220;terrifying news&#8221; says more about your weak nerves, or your lack of judgement, than the state of the arctic.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Richard Treadgold,<br />
Convenor,<br />
Climate Conversation Group.</p>
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		<title>By: David Gerard</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/09/03/the-worlds-newest-island/#comment-67609</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gerard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just think of the future of arctic tourism! &lt;a href="http://tinyurl.com/5tsqt9" rel="nofollow"&gt;Nome Tropicana, drinks are free!&lt;/a&gt;

(oh ghod, we’re all fried)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just think of the future of arctic tourism! <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5tsqt9" rel="nofollow">Nome Tropicana, drinks are free!</a></p>
<p>(oh ghod, we’re all fried)</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Revkin</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/09/03/the-worlds-newest-island/#comment-67555</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Revkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Arctic Ocean is clearly warming, and its sheath of summer sea ice greatly diminished, but the "island" phenomenon has not held up to closer scrutiny. 
see my latest post at http://tinyurl.com/dotpole</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Arctic Ocean is clearly warming, and its sheath of summer sea ice greatly diminished, but the &#8220;island&#8221; phenomenon has not held up to closer scrutiny.<br />
see my latest post at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/dotpole" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/dotpole</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 20:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sure is concerning to read about.  In general, I think it is important for us, as consumers, to support 'green business.'  For example, http://www.simplestop.net stops your postal junk mail and benefits the environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sure is concerning to read about.  In general, I think it is important for us, as consumers, to support &#8216;green business.&#8217;  For example, <a href="http://www.simplestop.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.simplestop.net</a> stops your postal junk mail and benefits the environment.</p>
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