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		<title>By: gooseberry</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/08/05/energy-efficiency-new-climate-battleground/#comment-67100</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think promoting energy efficiency in the UK has helped in the UK to keep a grips on domestic and some commercial emissions. It has created awareness and a drip by drip education of the issues.

The UK has a long history of using public information &#039;films&#039; or adverts that are used in campaigning. I think the efficiency issue is always tied into economics when it comes to efficiency choices. But i know a lot of people i know are absolutely hopeless at making economic long term judgements, so often they will choose a path that appears cheap initially but turns out to be expensive and environmentally damaging in the long term.

Here in the UK and i think across the EU all &#039;white goods&#039; such as washing machines, cookers etc have an energy rating and most people usually buy at least B rated goods. I think the highest rating now is A++. I assume as things get more efficient than the scale will be altered.

The point i would make is that making goods more efficient is unlikely to reduce emissions without other radical changes, that includes actual reductions in consumption of goods.
eg. 1 TV per home instead of 3 or 4.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think promoting energy efficiency in the UK has helped in the UK to keep a grips on domestic and some commercial emissions. It has created awareness and a drip by drip education of the issues.</p>
<p>The UK has a long history of using public information &#8216;films&#8217; or adverts that are used in campaigning. I think the efficiency issue is always tied into economics when it comes to efficiency choices. But i know a lot of people i know are absolutely hopeless at making economic long term judgements, so often they will choose a path that appears cheap initially but turns out to be expensive and environmentally damaging in the long term.</p>
<p>Here in the UK and i think across the EU all &#8216;white goods&#8217; such as washing machines, cookers etc have an energy rating and most people usually buy at least B rated goods. I think the highest rating now is A++. I assume as things get more efficient than the scale will be altered.</p>
<p>The point i would make is that making goods more efficient is unlikely to reduce emissions without other radical changes, that includes actual reductions in consumption of goods.<br />
eg. 1 TV per home instead of 3 or 4.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Knight</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Miggs,

Yeah, I read that Friedman article. Denmark is great, but they also have real electricity rates that are 3X average US levels, or so I&#039;ve read. I know promoting energy efficiency is many forms is going to be a major part of the solution to the energy challenge, but have lately been dismayed at the relationship between energy intensity (Btu/GDP) and retail electricity rates. The inter- and intranational correlation is very strong!!!! Where is the best evidence you know of showing a causal relationship between efficiency policies and reduced energy use. If I cannot prove this to myself, then I&#039;m gonna have a hell of a time making the case to others that a carbon tax isn&#039;t the true solution to climate change.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Miggs,</p>
<p>Yeah, I read that Friedman article. Denmark is great, but they also have real electricity rates that are 3X average US levels, or so I&#8217;ve read. I know promoting energy efficiency is many forms is going to be a major part of the solution to the energy challenge, but have lately been dismayed at the relationship between energy intensity (Btu/GDP) and retail electricity rates. The inter- and intranational correlation is very strong!!!! Where is the best evidence you know of showing a causal relationship between efficiency policies and reduced energy use. If I cannot prove this to myself, then I&#8217;m gonna have a hell of a time making the case to others that a carbon tax isn&#8217;t the true solution to climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: miggs</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/08/05/energy-efficiency-new-climate-battleground/#comment-67078</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last thing, Chris, because I just read your previous comment to someone else.  The best example is Denmark.  Tom Friedman actually just wrote about this in the New York Times.  Denmark made a policy decision to be uber-efficient, and it&#039;s paying off.  It actually gets over half its power from cogeneration.  More can be found in the Friedman piece.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last thing, Chris, because I just read your previous comment to someone else.  The best example is Denmark.  Tom Friedman actually just wrote about this in the New York Times.  Denmark made a policy decision to be uber-efficient, and it&#8217;s paying off.  It actually gets over half its power from cogeneration.  More can be found in the Friedman piece.</p>
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		<title>By: miggs</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Chris.  This is not Sean Casten.  But I&#039;d be happy to show him your reply.  

Regarding the sourcing...a 2007 study done by Bruce Hedman suggested 135K mw could come from industrial CHP (small power plants located on site at manufacturing facilities).  A Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory study in 2005 found 64K mw that could come from waste heat recovery (recycling heat that&#039;s already being wasted by manufacturers).  Combine those numbers and that&#039;s about 200K mw that could come from energy recycling technology (which we think is a conservative estimate).  From those studies, you glean the numbers of 40% of the nation&#039;s electricity, 20% of total power, and 20% in GHG reductions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Chris.  This is not Sean Casten.  But I&#8217;d be happy to show him your reply.  </p>
<p>Regarding the sourcing&#8230;a 2007 study done by Bruce Hedman suggested 135K mw could come from industrial CHP (small power plants located on site at manufacturing facilities).  A Lawrence Berkley National Laboratory study in 2005 found 64K mw that could come from waste heat recovery (recycling heat that&#8217;s already being wasted by manufacturers).  Combine those numbers and that&#8217;s about 200K mw that could come from energy recycling technology (which we think is a conservative estimate).  From those studies, you glean the numbers of 40% of the nation&#8217;s electricity, 20% of total power, and 20% in GHG reductions.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Knight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Gooseberry,

My question is, where are the international examples of where policies promoting efficiency have had a major impact on per capita energy use? I need to find concrete case studies where it wasn&#039;t just high energy prices, but standards and/or legislation that have had major effects on energy intensity. Or else people will argue that it was expense energy, i.e. Japan and California, that caused energy intensity to be so much lower.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Gooseberry,</p>
<p>My question is, where are the international examples of where policies promoting efficiency have had a major impact on per capita energy use? I need to find concrete case studies where it wasn&#8217;t just high energy prices, but standards and/or legislation that have had major effects on energy intensity. Or else people will argue that it was expense energy, i.e. Japan and California, that caused energy intensity to be so much lower.</p>
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		<title>By: gooseberry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gooseberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh and China is the bad guy???

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-07/cmu-cmr072908.php

Whose businesses exported manufacturing to China?
Companies like Apple moved manufacturing to China to cut costs and to compete with other businesses that also moved manufacturing to China.

And we demanded that prices remained low or were made lower.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh and China is the bad guy???</p>
<p><a href="http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-07/cmu-cmr072908.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-07/cmu-cmr072908.php</a></p>
<p>Whose businesses exported manufacturing to China?<br />
Companies like Apple moved manufacturing to China to cut costs and to compete with other businesses that also moved manufacturing to China.</p>
<p>And we demanded that prices remained low or were made lower.</p>
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		<title>By: gooseberry</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gooseberry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course energy efficiency would make a huge difference in the US!
Carbon emissions per capita in the US are huge, here in the UK they are about half of that of the average US citizen.

So what does this mean?
The US can make a big difference by consuming less and becoming more efficient. Other countries would struggle to make similar cuts because they already have higher efficiency standards due to higher energy costs.

It is a well known fact in the UK that insulating the home to a higher standard is not only cheap but also has a big impact on a families carbon footprint when compared to spending a lot of money on reneweables.

But the fact is that micro-renewables are an unavoidable next stage for home improvements after cheaper options such as insulation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course energy efficiency would make a huge difference in the US!<br />
Carbon emissions per capita in the US are huge, here in the UK they are about half of that of the average US citizen.</p>
<p>So what does this mean?<br />
The US can make a big difference by consuming less and becoming more efficient. Other countries would struggle to make similar cuts because they already have higher efficiency standards due to higher energy costs.</p>
<p>It is a well known fact in the UK that insulating the home to a higher standard is not only cheap but also has a big impact on a families carbon footprint when compared to spending a lot of money on reneweables.</p>
<p>But the fact is that micro-renewables are an unavoidable next stage for home improvements after cheaper options such as insulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Knight]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey,
Thanks for the comment. Am I speaking to Sean Casten? If so then hey Sean, this is Chris Knight with Breakthrough who you were chatting with the other week.

Regardless, those numbers you reference are stunning. The 20%/40% statistics are still shocking every time I see them. What studies were those from again?

And to be a little self-interested, have you thought of funding young persons who would advocate for your cause?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,<br />
Thanks for the comment. Am I speaking to Sean Casten? If so then hey Sean, this is Chris Knight with Breakthrough who you were chatting with the other week.</p>
<p>Regardless, those numbers you reference are stunning. The 20%/40% statistics are still shocking every time I see them. What studies were those from again?</p>
<p>And to be a little self-interested, have you thought of funding young persons who would advocate for your cause?</p>
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		<title>By: Miggs</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miggs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post!  I&#039;m associated with Recycled Energy Development (RED), the company you mention and link to above.  You&#039;ve got the numbers pretty close, but here&#039;s what we&#039;ve been using: studies done for the EPA and DoE suggest that recycling energy (usually waste heat) at manufacturing facilities would provide 40% of our nation&#039;s electricity while reducing GHG emissions by about 20%.  And get this: the generation of power and heat now accounts for over two-thirds of our nation&#039;s greenhouse emissions.  It&#039;s not cars, which seems to be the only things we hear about.  That means the only way we can really make a dent in global warming is by making power and heat more efficiently.  And that&#039;s exactly what energy recycling (also called cogeneration or combined heat &amp; power) does.  In fact, recycling energy just for manufacturers (we could do it at many other places too) would reduce GHG by just as much as if we took every single passenger vehicle off the road.  Pretty stunning.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post!  I&#8217;m associated with Recycled Energy Development (RED), the company you mention and link to above.  You&#8217;ve got the numbers pretty close, but here&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve been using: studies done for the EPA and DoE suggest that recycling energy (usually waste heat) at manufacturing facilities would provide 40% of our nation&#8217;s electricity while reducing GHG emissions by about 20%.  And get this: the generation of power and heat now accounts for over two-thirds of our nation&#8217;s greenhouse emissions.  It&#8217;s not cars, which seems to be the only things we hear about.  That means the only way we can really make a dent in global warming is by making power and heat more efficiently.  And that&#8217;s exactly what energy recycling (also called cogeneration or combined heat &amp; power) does.  In fact, recycling energy just for manufacturers (we could do it at many other places too) would reduce GHG by just as much as if we took every single passenger vehicle off the road.  Pretty stunning.</p>
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