Comments on: The Fight to Stop Cliffside is Not Over! http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:24:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: theDavidMartin http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65426 theDavidMartin Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:42:32 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65426 Great job guys. Can someone give me context of the photo? Christine rocksss Great job guys.

Can someone give me context of the photo? Christine rocksss

]]> By: Sparki http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65415 Sparki Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:55:52 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65415 North Carolina is also the 2nd largest consumer of mountaintop removal coal in the country. Stopping the Duke plant might save a few mountains as well. North Carolina is also the 2nd largest consumer of mountaintop removal coal in the country. Stopping the Duke plant might save a few mountains as well.

]]> By: Deirdre http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65413 Deirdre Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:15:37 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65413 you guys are doing awesome things down there.. it's super inspiring and you have lots of support and solidarity in the northeast. woo! you guys are doing awesome things down there.. it’s super inspiring and you have lots of support and solidarity in the northeast. woo!

]]> By: Josh Lynch http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65409 Josh Lynch Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:09:28 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65409 Dear Concerned Engineer, Thanks for the dose of realism. Your post is a solid reminder that it is not the engineers and construction workers that we ought to be opposing, who are concerned with creating good jobs and producing energy in a way that is viable right now. Rather our grievance is with the wreckless taxpayer subsidies and incentives for so-called "clean coal", mining, and land permits that have put us in a situation where coal is still cheaper to produce than biomass, solar, and efficiency projects. Our grievance is with the CEOs and company managers who lobby our government against climate change legislation and clean energy incentives and fill their campaigns with dirty contributions. Our grievance is with the politicians who, despite all of the scientific and economic signals that building a coal plant with a lifespan of 50+ years in 2008 is a recipe for climate disaster and is soon to be seen as political suicide. Great article Kat! Keep up the fight! Josh Dear Concerned Engineer,

Thanks for the dose of realism. Your post is a solid reminder that it is not the engineers and construction workers that we ought to be opposing, who are concerned with creating good jobs and producing energy in a way that is viable right now. Rather our grievance is with the wreckless taxpayer subsidies and incentives for so-called “clean coal”, mining, and land permits that have put us in a situation where coal is still cheaper to produce than biomass, solar, and efficiency projects. Our grievance is with the CEOs and company managers who lobby our government against climate change legislation and clean energy incentives and fill their campaigns with dirty contributions. Our grievance is with the politicians who, despite all of the scientific and economic signals that building a coal plant with a lifespan of 50+ years in 2008 is a recipe for climate disaster and is soon to be seen as political suicide.

Great article Kat! Keep up the fight!

Josh

]]> By: Concerned Engineer http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65388 Concerned Engineer Fri, 20 Jun 2008 13:49:56 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65388 If you would like to talk about heads being buried, let me lend you a shovel and point some things out. This facility will have a net emissions decrease across two criteria pollutants and one HAP: NOx, SOx, and Mercury. This will occur not only because this facility has the most current emission control technology but because in the construction permit issued by the state requires Duke to shut down four 50MW boilers from circa 1970's. I don't know how much you know about 1970 pollution controls, but there isn't much to know, because it wasn't there. Also to your point on Jobs, This facility will employee no less than a 1000 while under construction for the next 5 years, plus the yearly overhaul, get your fact right. Progress is going to happen and as a design engineer for power boilers and emission control technology I much prefer to build a biomass facility, but there is not enough biomass to burn in NC, not enough water to drive hydro, Solar is not cost effective for years....can you afford that kind of overhead?, and the environmentalists dispute nuke-power as well. So when you unplug your computer, IPod, A/C, and all other electronics and go live off the grid because you don't agree with where the power comes from then you can complain. However accepting the energy and then complaining about its origins is asinine. I am sure this will not get posted to your site, however if just one person reads this then my point has been made. If you would like to talk about heads being buried, let me lend you a shovel and point some things out. This facility will have a net emissions decrease across two criteria pollutants and one HAP: NOx, SOx, and Mercury. This will occur not only because this facility has the most current emission control technology but because in the construction permit issued by the state requires Duke to shut down four 50MW boilers from circa 1970’s. I don’t know how much you know about 1970 pollution controls, but there isn’t much to know, because it wasn’t there. Also to your point on Jobs, This facility will employee no less than a 1000 while under construction for the next 5 years, plus the yearly overhaul, get your fact right. Progress is going to happen and as a design engineer for power boilers and emission control technology I much prefer to build a biomass facility, but there is not enough biomass to burn in NC, not enough water to drive hydro, Solar is not cost effective for years….can you afford that kind of overhead?, and the environmentalists dispute nuke-power as well. So when you unplug your computer, IPod, A/C, and all other electronics and go live off the grid because you don’t agree with where the power comes from then you can complain. However accepting the energy and then complaining about its origins is asinine. I am sure this will not get posted to your site, however if just one person reads this then my point has been made.

]]> By: Mattie Reitman http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65375 Mattie Reitman Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:38:57 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65375 you take carolina, we got ohio. together, we are strong! you take carolina, we got ohio.

together, we are strong!

]]> By: Christine Irvine http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65351 Christine Irvine Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:59:58 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65351 Right on, Kat. AMAZING post. I have so much faith in yall!.. Let me know how I can continue to support the campaign from TN. I will lock myself to another bulldozer with you as my support ANY day! Right on, Kat. AMAZING post. I have so much faith in yall!..

Let me know how I can continue to support the campaign from TN. I will lock myself to another bulldozer with you as my support ANY day!

]]> By: Amy Ortiz http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65350 Amy Ortiz Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:49:09 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65350 Hell Yeah! keep it up NC. We gotta keep the opposition up and not let them get away with it. Hell Yeah! keep it up NC. We gotta keep the opposition up and not let them get away with it.

]]> By: Nick http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/06/19/the-fight-to-stop-cliffside-is-not-over/#comment-65348 Nick Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:31:22 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4888#comment-65348 What an inspiring story of tenacity - keep up the good work! What an inspiring story of tenacity - keep up the good work!

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