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		<title>By: chinese writing system</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/#comment-64549</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] didn??t. To me, ???sustainability??? means a situation in which your descendants are able to chttp://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/Nick Robinson: Why 42 days won&#039;t end it for Gordon Brown BBC News&quot;I don&#039;t think it is&quot;. With those [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] didn??t. To me, ???sustainability??? means a situation in which your descendants are able to chttp://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/Nick Robinson: Why 42 days won&#8217;t end it for Gordon Brown BBC News&#8221;I don&#8217;t think it is&#8221;. With those [...]</p>
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		<title>By: natashachart</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/#comment-64478</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 05:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[uli - I don&#039;t scorn the Amish. They seem like nice enough people and they&#039;re veritably above reproach carbon-wise. I just don&#039;t want to live like them. There are a lot of people whose lifestyles I don&#039;t want to copy, but it isn&#039;t necessarily anymore of a value judgment than that. 

Jamgirl - I&#039;m allergic to gluten and soy, totally dysfunctional on a low-protein diet. My blood sugar goes nuts, can&#039;t stay awake much, get migraines. I try to eat organic and, whenever possible, free range meat and eggs. 

I&#039;d also point out that no one&#039;s ever managed to create proper nutrient cycle system for farming without the inclusion of animals. They&#039;re necessary parts of any ecosystem, including agroecosystems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>uli &#8211; I don&#8217;t scorn the Amish. They seem like nice enough people and they&#8217;re veritably above reproach carbon-wise. I just don&#8217;t want to live like them. There are a lot of people whose lifestyles I don&#8217;t want to copy, but it isn&#8217;t necessarily anymore of a value judgment than that. </p>
<p>Jamgirl &#8211; I&#8217;m allergic to gluten and soy, totally dysfunctional on a low-protein diet. My blood sugar goes nuts, can&#8217;t stay awake much, get migraines. I try to eat organic and, whenever possible, free range meat and eggs. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also point out that no one&#8217;s ever managed to create proper nutrient cycle system for farming without the inclusion of animals. They&#8217;re necessary parts of any ecosystem, including agroecosystems.</p>
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		<title>By: we weren t crazy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 12:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] didn??t. To me, ???sustainability??? means a situation in which your descendants are able to chttp://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/Midgets&#039; program on upswing The Dickinson PressWhen John Hanstad heard Sara Berglund was making the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] didn??t. To me, ???sustainability??? means a situation in which your descendants are able to chttp://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/Midgets&#8217; program on upswing The Dickinson PressWhen John Hanstad heard Sara Berglund was making the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Claude Gelinas</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 31 May 2008 04:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article indeed — we need to move toward more sustainable ways.

The answer, in my view, resides in working together, against the individualist movement going on in the Western World. Furthermore, trade barriers should be re-enacted to protect the sovereign countries against the transnationals closing down our local companies while announcing that it&#039;s &quot;good for us&quot;, which is a blatant lie.

And for the fools who feel corn ethanol is the answer, remember it breaks your engine... yikes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article indeed — we need to move toward more sustainable ways.</p>
<p>The answer, in my view, resides in working together, against the individualist movement going on in the Western World. Furthermore, trade barriers should be re-enacted to protect the sovereign countries against the transnationals closing down our local companies while announcing that it&#8217;s &#8220;good for us&#8221;, which is a blatant lie.</p>
<p>And for the fools who feel corn ethanol is the answer, remember it breaks your engine&#8230; yikes!</p>
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		<title>By: Jamgirl</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/30/global-suicide-pact-amish-takeover/#comment-64420</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sound the Alarm! It really is time to act now. 
Indeed, as you say, people all over the world are waking up to the potential catastrophy that is global warming much faster than their leaders.  That&#039;s why some of us got together and funded an ad campaign to wake up a few more, hopefully includidg some of said leaders. 
 
I think your piece was great and certainly highlighted most of the core issues, but thought I should point out you may be dooming yourself as surely as the suicidally inactive leaders you criticize by remaining with the &#039;high protien&#039; aka meat diet.   

If you find the idea of abandoning meat consumption altogether too hard to consider just bear in mind that if everyone in the US only halved their meat consumption, that would mean between 5 and 10 BILLION ( Yes that&#039;s right BILLION) animals would not need to be raised and the emissions reductions from that single act alone would cut national greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution by between 10 or 20%, depending on if you look at direct emissions alone or include associated industries as well. That&#039;s not actually a big ask, in terms of dietary changes, and yet it would have an enormous effect.  Halve consumption again in a year and your emissions could be cut by as much as a third through that one act alone. 

It&#039;s simply the most effective thing any one individual can do to halt climate change, especially when that act shows the government how serious the population is about making the changes needed to address the issue.  Any population willing to make those sorts of deep personal commitments is empowered enough to elect whomsoever they think will get the job done best, and I guarantee it would put the wind up more than a few! 

Another important aspect to consider is that Methane, the main gas emitted by the livestock industry is 20/25 times more potent as a GHG.  So any reductions made in that area are that much more effective that in other areas. Not only that, but methane breaks down in 8-12 years, while carbon takes between 100 and 1000 yrs to be drawn out of the system, depending on how many trees and other chlorophilic organisms are engaged in the task. 

So clearly there is a huge advantage to reducing the high protein meat based diet significantly in favour of the alternative high protein plant based alternative. 

Personally, I like the comforts of modern western civilization as well - lights, refrigeration, network communication etc, and I think commitment to it&#039;s preservation deserves a little personal adjustment, as a starting point with which to buy the time to deal with the bigger, more expensive, more complicated contributors to this, the biggest threat facing humankind today.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sound the Alarm! It really is time to act now.<br />
Indeed, as you say, people all over the world are waking up to the potential catastrophy that is global warming much faster than their leaders.  That&#8217;s why some of us got together and funded an ad campaign to wake up a few more, hopefully includidg some of said leaders. </p>
<p>I think your piece was great and certainly highlighted most of the core issues, but thought I should point out you may be dooming yourself as surely as the suicidally inactive leaders you criticize by remaining with the &#8216;high protien&#8217; aka meat diet.   </p>
<p>If you find the idea of abandoning meat consumption altogether too hard to consider just bear in mind that if everyone in the US only halved their meat consumption, that would mean between 5 and 10 BILLION ( Yes that&#8217;s right BILLION) animals would not need to be raised and the emissions reductions from that single act alone would cut national greenhouse gas (GHG) pollution by between 10 or 20%, depending on if you look at direct emissions alone or include associated industries as well. That&#8217;s not actually a big ask, in terms of dietary changes, and yet it would have an enormous effect.  Halve consumption again in a year and your emissions could be cut by as much as a third through that one act alone. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s simply the most effective thing any one individual can do to halt climate change, especially when that act shows the government how serious the population is about making the changes needed to address the issue.  Any population willing to make those sorts of deep personal commitments is empowered enough to elect whomsoever they think will get the job done best, and I guarantee it would put the wind up more than a few! </p>
<p>Another important aspect to consider is that Methane, the main gas emitted by the livestock industry is 20/25 times more potent as a GHG.  So any reductions made in that area are that much more effective that in other areas. Not only that, but methane breaks down in 8-12 years, while carbon takes between 100 and 1000 yrs to be drawn out of the system, depending on how many trees and other chlorophilic organisms are engaged in the task. </p>
<p>So clearly there is a huge advantage to reducing the high protein meat based diet significantly in favour of the alternative high protein plant based alternative. </p>
<p>Personally, I like the comforts of modern western civilization as well &#8211; lights, refrigeration, network communication etc, and I think commitment to it&#8217;s preservation deserves a little personal adjustment, as a starting point with which to buy the time to deal with the bigger, more expensive, more complicated contributors to this, the biggest threat facing humankind today.</p>
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		<title>By: uli nagel</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brilliant writing, thank you, even though I don&#039;t think the Amish deserve your scorn!! And the only thing I can see making a difference is people actually being able to work together. Community is going to be BIG, as it has always been in time of crisis. That&#039;s going to be a challenge, because the tendency has been towards greater and greater individualization and &#039;going my own path&#039;. I just heard that even organizations as incredible as the World Future Council can&#039;t get things done, because people are caught up in ego and cannot work together. One way that seems to work is new structures of organization, see http://www.thesunnyway.com/index.php/site/comments/holacracy_a_new_way_to_work_together/
Another is here - it&#039;s called the Universe Project http://www.enlightennext.org/ - looking at our real place in the evolution of things and developing the most precious resource we have - consciousness...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant writing, thank you, even though I don&#8217;t think the Amish deserve your scorn!! And the only thing I can see making a difference is people actually being able to work together. Community is going to be BIG, as it has always been in time of crisis. That&#8217;s going to be a challenge, because the tendency has been towards greater and greater individualization and &#8216;going my own path&#8217;. I just heard that even organizations as incredible as the World Future Council can&#8217;t get things done, because people are caught up in ego and cannot work together. One way that seems to work is new structures of organization, see <a href="http://www.thesunnyway.com/index.php/site/comments/holacracy_a_new_way_to_work_together/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesunnyway.com/index.php/site/comments/holacracy_a_new_way_to_work_together/</a><br />
Another is here &#8211; it&#8217;s called the Universe Project <a href="http://www.enlightennext.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.enlightennext.org/</a> &#8211; looking at our real place in the evolution of things and developing the most precious resource we have &#8211; consciousness&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Margolis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting perspective.  I wonder if even option B has several pathways to get there.  It seems a lot of the debate is between deniers (we just keep on going no change) and the deep ecology advocates (we must shift to a decentralized, non-capitalist, renewables only society in 10 to 15 years).  Perhaps this leaves many regular folks perplexed?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting perspective.  I wonder if even option B has several pathways to get there.  It seems a lot of the debate is between deniers (we just keep on going no change) and the deep ecology advocates (we must shift to a decentralized, non-capitalist, renewables only society in 10 to 15 years).  Perhaps this leaves many regular folks perplexed?</p>
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		<title>By: A Siegel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Siegel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 17:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderfully written ... and very on target.

I contemplate the discussion of those who are holing up and preparing for post-Peak Oil catastrophes and wonder: what can or should I do?  I&#039;m not likely the pioneering farmer.  But, am I dooming my household?

But, on reflection of Global Warming, I do not see holing up and hiding as a viable option. We, humanity, are in this together, to sink or swim, whether people realize it or not.  We all are and will be harmed (even if to differing degrees).  Much less expensive to solve this problem than to have to live with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderfully written &#8230; and very on target.</p>
<p>I contemplate the discussion of those who are holing up and preparing for post-Peak Oil catastrophes and wonder: what can or should I do?  I&#8217;m not likely the pioneering farmer.  But, am I dooming my household?</p>
<p>But, on reflection of Global Warming, I do not see holing up and hiding as a viable option. We, humanity, are in this together, to sink or swim, whether people realize it or not.  We all are and will be harmed (even if to differing degrees).  Much less expensive to solve this problem than to have to live with it.</p>
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