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	<title>Comments on: Climate Policy Heats Up: So what are some principles to stay cool?</title>
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	<description>Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement</description>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/16/climate-policy-heats-up-so-what-are-some-principles-to-stay-cool/#comment-64067</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are great principles Richard.

Re Justice/Equity ... I'd encourage you to add an international component.  It seems like the focus of your language is on U.S. families/workers -- but an important component of climate legislation in a wealthy, industrialized country like the U.S. is also living up to our responsibility as a nation that has done much to create this problem.  That means we should be setting aside funds we can use to assist other nations as they adopt clean technologies and prepare for climate changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are great principles Richard.</p>
<p>Re Justice/Equity &#8230; I&#8217;d encourage you to add an international component.  It seems like the focus of your language is on U.S. families/workers &#8212; but an important component of climate legislation in a wealthy, industrialized country like the U.S. is also living up to our responsibility as a nation that has done much to create this problem.  That means we should be setting aside funds we can use to assist other nations as they adopt clean technologies and prepare for climate changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Graves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Graves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 14:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because jet travel is still a fairly small minority of carbon emissions, but has enormous ramifications for the global economy. Reducing the need for jet travel, increasing efficiency, and developing bus and rail routes to replace short haul flights would be more effective and not lead to instant backlash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because jet travel is still a fairly small minority of carbon emissions, but has enormous ramifications for the global economy. Reducing the need for jet travel, increasing efficiency, and developing bus and rail routes to replace short haul flights would be more effective and not lead to instant backlash.</p>
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		<title>By: Mainer1776</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mainer1776</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 20:43:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the energy source that will replace carbon oxidating fuels?  Why not push for a total ban on jet transportation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the energy source that will replace carbon oxidating fuels?  Why not push for a total ban on jet transportation?</p>
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		<title>By: rhonda</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhonda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dont compromise. we have too much to do too fast to compromise on anything. CCS still requires mining and transport, is potentially risky, and is the darling of one Goliath in the arena who is trying to maintain business as usual for logner than the planet can tolerate. dont compromise!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dont compromise. we have too much to do too fast to compromise on anything. CCS still requires mining and transport, is potentially risky, and is the darling of one Goliath in the arena who is trying to maintain business as usual for logner than the planet can tolerate. dont compromise!</p>
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		<title>By: Cascadia Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cascadia Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 21:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have to add one more:

"Eliminate Loopholes. Don't use methods that haven't worked to reduce emissions or that contain loopholes."

I guess you could include that in "solve the problem" but what we've seen in Europe is that emissions are going up despite targets being set because the system they've put in place is full of loopholes. Scientficly robust targets are patently useless if you can appear to meet targets while actually exploiting the rules of the system to skirt the requirements.

This isn't some side issue of concern folks! Inaction masquerading as action has been the dominant feature of climate action in most of the industrialized world.

Sadly, most some of the big environmental groups are supporting policies like the Lieberman Warner bill that have these loopholes - both here and (to a much lesser extent) in Europe. 

I think all of us agree to these principles like these in theory, but in practice, many groups consistently ignore them. We do have differences in values across the specturm I think lack of COMMITMENT to even lowest common denominator values like these (in the face of perceived political expediency) is much more of a problem.

Example: In the anti-war movement you don't have rallies and email calls-to-action for "50% out of Iraq!". Yet parts of the climate movement do the same for "50% of IPCC targets!"....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have to add one more:</p>
<p>&#8220;Eliminate Loopholes. Don&#8217;t use methods that haven&#8217;t worked to reduce emissions or that contain loopholes.&#8221;</p>
<p>I guess you could include that in &#8220;solve the problem&#8221; but what we&#8217;ve seen in Europe is that emissions are going up despite targets being set because the system they&#8217;ve put in place is full of loopholes. Scientficly robust targets are patently useless if you can appear to meet targets while actually exploiting the rules of the system to skirt the requirements.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t some side issue of concern folks! Inaction masquerading as action has been the dominant feature of climate action in most of the industrialized world.</p>
<p>Sadly, most some of the big environmental groups are supporting policies like the Lieberman Warner bill that have these loopholes - both here and (to a much lesser extent) in Europe. </p>
<p>I think all of us agree to these principles like these in theory, but in practice, many groups consistently ignore them. We do have differences in values across the specturm I think lack of COMMITMENT to even lowest common denominator values like these (in the face of perceived political expediency) is much more of a problem.</p>
<p>Example: In the anti-war movement you don&#8217;t have rallies and email calls-to-action for &#8220;50% out of Iraq!&#8221;. Yet parts of the climate movement do the same for &#8220;50% of IPCC targets!&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 00:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, thank you. I think we all CAN agree on those principles.  A quote I think is appropriate here is, "Be against nothing and for something." The more noise we make about real solutions the less attention all the false ones are going to get until we simply drown them out with our overwhleming roar.  Easier said than done, but a good attitude to keep in mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, thank you. I think we all CAN agree on those principles.  A quote I think is appropriate here is, &#8220;Be against nothing and for something.&#8221; The more noise we make about real solutions the less attention all the false ones are going to get until we simply drown them out with our overwhleming roar.  Easier said than done, but a good attitude to keep in mind.</p>
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