Comments on: Lieberman-Warner Bill: Dirty energy in the name of climate protection http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:27:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU hourly 1 By: Vmarx http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-69278 Vmarx Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:06:48 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-69278 Oh, by the way. I live next to a nuclear power plant. No NIMBY here. Oh, by the way. I live next to a nuclear power plant. No NIMBY here.

]]> By: Vmarx http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-69277 Vmarx Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:05:31 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-69277 So, what's wrong with nuclear power? It's clean, safe, and produces NO carbon So, what’s wrong with nuclear power? It’s clean, safe, and produces NO carbon

]]> By: elemental jim http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-65192 elemental jim Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:19:43 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-65192 Hello CB.. Do you ever get the feeling we are pounding our collective heads against a wall? I can't believe all the poor misguided SOB's getting behind this POS bill. If you follow my trail you will see my tale of woe started with an action alert from Care2 and their petition in support of this bill. They actually had more than one with multiple sponsors. I emailed them all. One response.. Not really a tale of woe just very frustrating with all the delusional pro nuke supporters. I can appreciate that you are savvy enough to follow the comments and disclose the shills. That's pretty cool. Hello CB..
Do you ever get the feeling we are pounding our collective heads against a wall?
I can’t believe all the poor misguided SOB’s getting behind this POS bill.
If you follow my trail you will see my tale of woe started with an action alert from Care2 and their petition in support of this bill. They actually had more than one with multiple sponsors.
I emailed them all. One response.. Not really a tale of woe just very frustrating with all the delusional pro nuke supporters.
I can appreciate that you are savvy enough to follow the comments and disclose the shills.
That’s pretty cool.

]]> By: Coal Train stopped and occupied in UK! « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-65142 Coal Train stopped and occupied in UK! « It’s Getting Hot In Here Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:18:10 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-65142 [...] analysis and strategy; and the policy solutions being promoted by many (such as the wholly inadequate Lieberrman-Warner bill) will simply not stop the climate crisis. If we are to beat the climate crisis and build a clean, [...] [...] analysis and strategy; and the policy solutions being promoted by many (such as the wholly inadequate Lieberrman-Warner bill) will simply not stop the climate crisis. If we are to beat the climate crisis and build a clean, [...]

]]> By: Cascadia Brian http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-64816 Cascadia Brian Sun, 08 Jun 2008 18:05:12 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-64816 William - The opinion of science is that we need much more SERIOUS action on the climate than L-W. Simply put, if we can "never" get congress to take action needed on climate change, we can either give up on saving the planet or we'll have to explore other options. Let's focus on the latter and not get distracted by bogus solutions that will distract and delude an already less-than-fully-engaged public. Luke - looking at your blog you are obviously an extremely pro-nuclear advocate, so I'm not going to bother trying to convert you. But for others who might be curious, here's some background on why nukes can't and shouldn't save the climate: www.energyjustice.net/nuclear/ www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/17/nuclearindustry.energy www.nirs.org/mononline/nukesclimatechangereport.pdf www.coopamerica.org/programs/climate/dirtyenergy/nuclear.cfm gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/24/92132/7414 William - The opinion of science is that we need much more SERIOUS action on the climate than L-W. Simply put, if we can “never” get congress to take action needed on climate change, we can either give up on saving the planet or we’ll have to explore other options. Let’s focus on the latter and not get distracted by bogus solutions that will distract and delude an already less-than-fully-engaged public.

Luke - looking at your blog you are obviously an extremely pro-nuclear advocate, so I’m not going to bother trying to convert you. But for others who might be curious, here’s some background on why nukes can’t and shouldn’t save the climate:

http://www.energyjustice.net/nuclear/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2006/jan/17/nuclearindustry.energy
http://www.nirs.org/mononline/nukesclimatechangereport.pdf
http://www.coopamerica.org/programs/climate/dirtyenergy/nuclear.cfm
gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/1/24/92132/7414

]]> By: North America's inaction on climate change | alexlockwood.net http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-64796 North America's inaction on climate change | alexlockwood.net Sun, 08 Jun 2008 09:19:04 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-64796 [...] isn’t of course. But, back to the Senate, not even the environmental lobby were behind the Climate Security [...] [...] isn’t of course. But, back to the Senate, not even the environmental lobby were behind the Climate Security [...]

]]> By: Luke Weston http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-64769 Luke Weston Sat, 07 Jun 2008 14:40:09 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-64769 I agree that giving tradeable carbon dioxide permits worth billions of dollars to the fossil fuel industry is completely the wrong move. I agree that giving subsidies to the coal and petroleum industries is totally wrong and counterproductive. But what's with the dogma against nuclear energy? Yes... there is money allocated through Liberman-Warner to low-or-no-greehouse gas emissions electricity generation technologies... and some of that money could be available to nuclear energy, just as it can be available to every other low-or-no-greehouse gas emissions electricity generation technology. I thought we were here to discuss solutions to the problem of anthropogenic climate change? Nuclear energy provides the largest share by far of greenhouse gas emissions free electricity in the United States. Obviously if that's what we're seriously discussing, then rational, educated discussion of nuclear energy is important. Nuclear energy is a greenhouse gas emissions free means of electricity generation, and its use is to be encouraged, alongside every other means of greenhouse gas emissions free electricity generation that is available. I agree that giving tradeable carbon dioxide permits worth billions of dollars to the fossil fuel industry is completely the wrong move. I agree that giving subsidies to the coal and petroleum industries is totally wrong and counterproductive.

But what’s with the dogma against nuclear energy?

Yes… there is money allocated through Liberman-Warner to low-or-no-greehouse gas emissions electricity generation technologies… and some of that money could be available to nuclear energy, just as it can be available to every other low-or-no-greehouse gas emissions electricity generation technology.

I thought we were here to discuss solutions to the problem of anthropogenic climate change?

Nuclear energy provides the largest share by far of greenhouse gas emissions free electricity in the United States. Obviously if that’s what we’re seriously discussing, then rational, educated discussion of nuclear energy is important.

Nuclear energy is a greenhouse gas emissions free means of electricity generation, and its use is to be encouraged, alongside every other means of greenhouse gas emissions free electricity generation that is available.

]]> By: William Greene http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-64477 William Greene Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:50:39 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-64477 You need to understand that this congress is never going to be able to pass the PERFECT environmental bill. This bill would get things headed in a very positive direction. The fact that the environmental community hasn't rallied around this bill is a shame. I encourage everyone who reads this to e-mail or call your senator in support of the climate security act. We can't waste anymore time. You need to understand that this congress is never going to be able to pass the PERFECT environmental bill. This bill would get things headed in a very positive direction. The fact that the environmental community hasn’t rallied around this bill is a shame. I encourage everyone who reads this to e-mail or call your senator in support of the climate security act. We can’t waste anymore time.

]]> By: John Anthony La Pietra http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-64398 John Anthony La Pietra Fri, 30 May 2008 00:42:16 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-64398 Does anyone have any significant details on how much what changes with the substitution of the Boxer bill (S. 3036) as an amendment for S. 2191? Does anyone have any significant details on how much what changes with the substitution of the Boxer bill (S. 3036) as an amendment for S. 2191?

]]> By: It’s Time to Start Paying Attention to John McCain’s Ideas on Climate Change : Red, Green, and Blue http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/13/lieberman-warner-bill-dirty-energy-in-the-name-of-climate-protection/#comment-64341 It’s Time to Start Paying Attention to John McCain’s Ideas on Climate Change : Red, Green, and Blue Wed, 28 May 2008 17:45:48 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4731#comment-64341 [...] as recommended by scientists, and with the proposals supported by John McCain, it could be “the greatest greenwash of our generation.” Not only does the bill give carbon permits valued at one trillion dollars to the fossil [...] [...] as recommended by scientists, and with the proposals supported by John McCain, it could be “the greatest greenwash of our generation.” Not only does the bill give carbon permits valued at one trillion dollars to the fossil [...]

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