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		<title>By: Carbon Capture: Solution or Scam? &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63971</link>
		<dc:creator>Carbon Capture: Solution or Scam? &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 20:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] risks locking the world into an energy future that fails to save the climate.” And in a recent letter to Congress, 43 climate organizations declared their opposition to public support for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63535</link>
		<dc:creator>R Margolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 12:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monica -

As I have stated on other posts, I am an engineer in the power industry.  My opinions are my own and certainly do not reflect any employer.  I am not a carbon denier, but it sounds to me like the numbers simply don't add up.

Changing over the entire US grid (even if you drop it to 300 GW with efficiency) to renewables and energy storage in 10 - 15 years is a VERY tall order.  You need to test it and prove to the regulators and the public that such a combination will be reliable compared to the current system of baseload and peaking units AND more economical than other low carbon options.  My experience tells me that you will need transition fuels of some kind to get from here to there.  I brought up LNG because historically it is quicker to build gas turbines than reactors (the low carbon technology everyone loves to hate).   

As for existing CCS, there are a few coal plants that have been fitted with ammonia chillers to capture carbon to test the process.  However, that technology would mean a 10% power loss to the plant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monica -</p>
<p>As I have stated on other posts, I am an engineer in the power industry.  My opinions are my own and certainly do not reflect any employer.  I am not a carbon denier, but it sounds to me like the numbers simply don&#8217;t add up.</p>
<p>Changing over the entire US grid (even if you drop it to 300 GW with efficiency) to renewables and energy storage in 10 - 15 years is a VERY tall order.  You need to test it and prove to the regulators and the public that such a combination will be reliable compared to the current system of baseload and peaking units AND more economical than other low carbon options.  My experience tells me that you will need transition fuels of some kind to get from here to there.  I brought up LNG because historically it is quicker to build gas turbines than reactors (the low carbon technology everyone loves to hate).   </p>
<p>As for existing CCS, there are a few coal plants that have been fitted with ammonia chillers to capture carbon to test the process.  However, that technology would mean a 10% power loss to the plant.</p>
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		<title>By: sparki</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63516</link>
		<dc:creator>sparki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 06:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>proponents of CCS should take note of the groups that signed this letter. a large number of them are in areas directly impacted by coal extraction and it's combustion.  no matter how hard the industry tries, coal can never be clean.  not so long as the extraction processes are destroying people's homes and ravaging mountains, water and air.  proponents of CCS should take note of how these groups opposing strip mining, mountaintop removal and coal plants are coming out against them.  

there's going to be a lot more of this in the future- http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/may/06/capturing-awareness/ 

also, maybe the proponents of CCS could explain why none of the 150 new coal fired power plants proposed are CCS.  perhaps because it's a pipe dream being used by the coal industry to delay and distract from the real solution of phasing out coal fired power (along with other fossil fuels like oil and LNG) for renewable energy and energy efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>proponents of CCS should take note of the groups that signed this letter. a large number of them are in areas directly impacted by coal extraction and it&#8217;s combustion.  no matter how hard the industry tries, coal can never be clean.  not so long as the extraction processes are destroying people&#8217;s homes and ravaging mountains, water and air.  proponents of CCS should take note of how these groups opposing strip mining, mountaintop removal and coal plants are coming out against them.  </p>
<p>there&#8217;s going to be a lot more of this in the future- <a href="http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/may/06/capturing-awareness/" rel="nofollow">http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/may/06/capturing-awareness/</a> </p>
<p>also, maybe the proponents of CCS could explain why none of the 150 new coal fired power plants proposed are CCS.  perhaps because it&#8217;s a pipe dream being used by the coal industry to delay and distract from the real solution of phasing out coal fired power (along with other fossil fuels like oil and LNG) for renewable energy and energy efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: G.R.L. Cowan, hydrogen-to-boron convert</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63508</link>
		<dc:creator>G.R.L. Cowan, hydrogen-to-boron convert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 04:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCS by minerals such as olivine is occurring now, with no risk of leakage.</description>
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		<title>By: monica</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63497</link>
		<dc:creator>monica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 00:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are you talking about LNG with CCS? How would you "trap" carbon emissions from a process that releases greenhouse gases through a global system including extraction, processing, transportation, re-gasification, etc. 

By investing in huge infrastructure around the world for a new shift to LNG dependency, we are being locked into a dependency on a global energy source with the exact same social and environmental problems as coal and oil. 

The fossil fuel industry is proposing LNG as a "bridge fuel" because they can sell the idea that natural gas burns cleaner than oil. However, the life-cycle emissions of LNG are often as bad as coal (Heade 2007; Carnegie-Melon 2007). And natural gas reserves are rich in Iran, Peru, Nigeria, Algeria and other places where US resource wars are already happening or soon will be.

My climate movement is about RESTRUCTURING our supply and consumption process to locally-based, decentralized energy infrastructure, which does not rely on the exportation of social and environmental injustice, for the importation of cheap resources. 

R Margolis - Stop pushing LNG (increasing consumption of a fossil fuel to "buy us time"), its just plain embarrassing. Who do you work for anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about LNG with CCS? How would you &#8220;trap&#8221; carbon emissions from a process that releases greenhouse gases through a global system including extraction, processing, transportation, re-gasification, etc. </p>
<p>By investing in huge infrastructure around the world for a new shift to LNG dependency, we are being locked into a dependency on a global energy source with the exact same social and environmental problems as coal and oil. </p>
<p>The fossil fuel industry is proposing LNG as a &#8220;bridge fuel&#8221; because they can sell the idea that natural gas burns cleaner than oil. However, the life-cycle emissions of LNG are often as bad as coal (Heade 2007; Carnegie-Melon 2007). And natural gas reserves are rich in Iran, Peru, Nigeria, Algeria and other places where US resource wars are already happening or soon will be.</p>
<p>My climate movement is about RESTRUCTURING our supply and consumption process to locally-based, decentralized energy infrastructure, which does not rely on the exportation of social and environmental injustice, for the importation of cheap resources. </p>
<p>R Margolis - Stop pushing LNG (increasing consumption of a fossil fuel to &#8220;buy us time&#8221;), its just plain embarrassing. Who do you work for anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63489</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 20:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LNG is not and can never be sustainable and is one of the greatest  environmental threats to the Northwest right now. No false solutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LNG is not and can never be sustainable and is one of the greatest  environmental threats to the Northwest right now. No false solutions.</p>
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		<title>By: R Margolis</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63483</link>
		<dc:creator>R Margolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about natural gas or LNG with CCS?  The fastest recent pwoer infrastructure build were the 200 GW of gas turbines built in the 90's.  To replace fossil plants with renewables would require building ~500 GW [*] of capacity plus a large amount of energy storage in about 20 years (actually less since the regulators will require some kind of testing of all those devices on a grid).  LNG with CCS may be an option to buy some much needed time.

Has the Youth Climate Movement been talking at all with NARUC on how to approach the regulatory side of this issue?  I recall Xcel talking about a smartgrid test in Boulder CO with renewables and storage (V2G?), but have not heard what the schedule is.

*  [The value drops to ~300 GW if the US can go to the per capita electric use of Switzerland, but that is a tall order in our larger and more diverse economy.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about natural gas or LNG with CCS?  The fastest recent pwoer infrastructure build were the 200 GW of gas turbines built in the 90&#8217;s.  To replace fossil plants with renewables would require building ~500 GW [*] of capacity plus a large amount of energy storage in about 20 years (actually less since the regulators will require some kind of testing of all those devices on a grid).  LNG with CCS may be an option to buy some much needed time.</p>
<p>Has the Youth Climate Movement been talking at all with NARUC on how to approach the regulatory side of this issue?  I recall Xcel talking about a smartgrid test in Boulder CO with renewables and storage (V2G?), but have not heard what the schedule is.</p>
<p>*  [The value drops to ~300 GW if the US can go to the per capita electric use of Switzerland, but that is a tall order in our larger and more diverse economy.]</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/05/06/public-interest-groups-oppose-carbon-capture-scam/#comment-63482</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 18:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes! CCS is so far off it doesn't stand a chance of helping with global warming.  I think this is starting to catch on.  But we might have to increase the pressure once we get a national cap and trade policy established as coal might see a resurgence with a more concrete plan for controlling GHG emissions.  We can win this one.  Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes! CCS is so far off it doesn&#8217;t stand a chance of helping with global warming.  I think this is starting to catch on.  But we might have to increase the pressure once we get a national cap and trade policy established as coal might see a resurgence with a more concrete plan for controlling GHG emissions.  We can win this one.  Keep it up.</p>
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