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		<title>By: bi -- Intl. J. Inact.</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63441</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bi -- Intl. J. Inact.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 10:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hilarious -- Heartland publisher Dan Miller is denying that Heartland&#039;s portraying the scientists as skeptics!

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webcitation.org/5XZMyWuLV&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heartland&#039;s 14 Sep 2007 press release&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;The key dispute, of course, is whether the recent global warming has been due to humans burning fossil fuels or to the natural, moderate 1,500 year cycle discovered in the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores in the 1980s [...which is] now supported by hundreds of peer-reviewed research reports, with more than 1,000 authors and co-authors, from research institutions around the world.&quot;

From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webcitation.org/5XZMsuiQf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heartland&#039;s 1 May 2008 press release&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;Avery and Singer published an earlier list in September 12, 2007 including more than 300 peer-reviewed scientists--most cited in their book--who had published evidence of the long climate cycle in prestigious journals such as Science, Nature, and Climate Dynamics.&quot;

Anyway... &lt;b&gt;why in the nine hells is this story not in the mainstream media yet?&lt;/b&gt;

-- bi, &lt;a href=&quot;http://frankbi.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;International Journal of Inactivism&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hilarious &#8212; Heartland publisher Dan Miller is denying that Heartland&#8217;s portraying the scientists as skeptics!</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5XZMyWuLV" rel="nofollow">Heartland&#8217;s 14 Sep 2007 press release</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;The key dispute, of course, is whether the recent global warming has been due to humans burning fossil fuels or to the natural, moderate 1,500 year cycle discovered in the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores in the 1980s [...which is] now supported by hundreds of peer-reviewed research reports, with more than 1,000 authors and co-authors, from research institutions around the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>From <a href="http://www.webcitation.org/5XZMsuiQf" rel="nofollow">Heartland&#8217;s 1 May 2008 press release</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Avery and Singer published an earlier list in September 12, 2007 including more than 300 peer-reviewed scientists&#8211;most cited in their book&#8211;who had published evidence of the long climate cycle in prestigious journals such as Science, Nature, and Climate Dynamics.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; <b>why in the nine hells is this story not in the mainstream media yet?</b></p>
<p>&#8211; bi, <a href="http://frankbi.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow"><i>International Journal of Inactivism</i></a></p>
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		<title>By: Wadard</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63407</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The most effective thing you can do to ramp up the fight against climate change is to go and &lt;a href=&quot;http://globalwarmingwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/tackle-climate-change-troll.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;take on a AGW denial propagandist, on their own astroturf.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most effective thing you can do to ramp up the fight against climate change is to go and <a href="http://globalwarmingwatch.blogspot.com/2008/05/tackle-climate-change-troll.html" rel="nofollow">take on a AGW denial propagandist, on their own astroturf.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ventura</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ventura]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cristoffer,

You smug moron -- the list being referred to is not the Manhattan Declaration. It is a list of 500 researchers alleged by the Heartland Institute to be supporters of Heartland&#039;s climate change denial agenda.

And, yes, the names mentioned above are on the list -- look for yourself -- http://www.heartland.org/pdf/21978.pdf

So, I&#039;m not quite sure who &quot;the joke is in [sic].&quot;

Think and click a link or two before shooting your idiot mouth off. Dope.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cristoffer,</p>
<p>You smug moron &#8212; the list being referred to is not the Manhattan Declaration. It is a list of 500 researchers alleged by the Heartland Institute to be supporters of Heartland&#8217;s climate change denial agenda.</p>
<p>And, yes, the names mentioned above are on the list &#8212; look for yourself &#8212; <a href="http://www.heartland.org/pdf/21978.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.heartland.org/pdf/21978.pdf</a></p>
<p>So, I&#8217;m not quite sure who &#8220;the joke is in [sic].&#8221;</p>
<p>Think and click a link or two before shooting your idiot mouth off. Dope.</p>
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		<title>By: More damn lies &#124; The Climate Scam</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63331</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More damn lies &#124; The Climate Scam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] &#8220;It&#8217;s Getting Hot in Here&#8221; is an activist blog about AGW. In its latest entry, Phil Aroneanu writes: [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;It&#8217;s Getting Hot in Here&#8221; is an activist blog about AGW. In its latest entry, Phil Aroneanu writes: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cristoffer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cristoffer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 16:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sorry to say, but NONE of the names mentioned above are on the lists of people who signed the Manhattan Declaration. You can look for yourselves. Also, it is not true that all the signers received a questionnaire. I attended the conference in N.Y and signed the declaration. Dind&#039;t get any mail from DeSmogBlog though. I am sorry to say, but the joke is in you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to say, but NONE of the names mentioned above are on the lists of people who signed the Manhattan Declaration. You can look for yourselves. Also, it is not true that all the signers received a questionnaire. I attended the conference in N.Y and signed the declaration. Dind&#8217;t get any mail from DeSmogBlog though. I am sorry to say, but the joke is in you.</p>
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		<title>By: Earl E</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63329</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Earl E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am a denier...

I do not believe the methane blooms off the coast of Africa which are dumping methane into the atmosphere at alarming rates are because of over-fishing.

I don’t believe in the droughts in the midwest last year and the crop loss that occured. I don’t believe the pac norwest salmon fishing is shut down this year. I don’t believe the photos of the Larson B ice shelf calving or any of the myriad of photos showing glaciers evaporating, I don’t believe the glacial lakes drained overnight.

I don’t belive in dead-zones around all continental shelves, I don’t believe the cost of gasoline is rising from increased demand. I don&#039;t believe that global dimming from particulate pollution as measured by Ramanathan over the Maldives occured, nor is the pan evaporation rate declining world-wide as measured by farmers in the same pan for the last century.

I instead believe in God, something completely lacking any scientific evidence and based solely on humans from two centuries ago who believed that they heard voices.

I am going to go turn my car on in the garage with the door shut and pray for all of you warmers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a denier&#8230;</p>
<p>I do not believe the methane blooms off the coast of Africa which are dumping methane into the atmosphere at alarming rates are because of over-fishing.</p>
<p>I don’t believe in the droughts in the midwest last year and the crop loss that occured. I don’t believe the pac norwest salmon fishing is shut down this year. I don’t believe the photos of the Larson B ice shelf calving or any of the myriad of photos showing glaciers evaporating, I don’t believe the glacial lakes drained overnight.</p>
<p>I don’t belive in dead-zones around all continental shelves, I don’t believe the cost of gasoline is rising from increased demand. I don&#8217;t believe that global dimming from particulate pollution as measured by Ramanathan over the Maldives occured, nor is the pan evaporation rate declining world-wide as measured by farmers in the same pan for the last century.</p>
<p>I instead believe in God, something completely lacking any scientific evidence and based solely on humans from two centuries ago who believed that they heard voices.</p>
<p>I am going to go turn my car on in the garage with the door shut and pray for all of you warmers.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Miller</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63326</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dan Miller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 15:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As usual in its jihad against Heartland, SmogBlog gets its facts utterly wrong.

1. Heartland isn&#039;t the source or the author of the purported list. It came from the Hudson Institute.

2. There is no list of 500 scientists signing a statement denying the existence of anthropogenic climate change. SmogBlog invented that &quot;list&quot; and ascribed it to Heartland as a straw man to continue its attack on Heartland. The 500 scientists SmogBlog refers to are those whose work in various aspects of climate change was cited in &quot;Unstoppable Global Warming&quot; by Fred Singer and Dennis Avery. Singer and Avery never asserted those scientists agreed on anything. Singer and Avery cited the scientists&#039; work in a bibliography to buttress their argument that natural cycles of climate change exist.  

3. Academics cited in the Singer/Avery study have no right to demand that their work not appear in bibliographies such as in &quot;Unstoppable Global Warming.&quot; In fact, Singer and Avery do the authors a favor by stating clearly that not all of the authors cited question the theory of AGW.

4. Heartland offers more than 25,000 articles on its Website, including an abstract of &quot;Unstoppable Global Warming.&quot; That abstract appears on many other Web sites. Surely SmogBlog is able to access more than one site. Why focus on Heartland?

5. Heartland isn&#039;t &quot;one of Washington’s most conservative think tanks.&quot; We&#039;re based in Chicago.

6. If anyone has a gripe about the list of scientists cited in the bibliography, they should contact the Hudson Institute, which issued the press release that is on Heartland&#039;s site.

Dan Miller
Publisher 
Heartland Institute
Chicago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual in its jihad against Heartland, SmogBlog gets its facts utterly wrong.</p>
<p>1. Heartland isn&#8217;t the source or the author of the purported list. It came from the Hudson Institute.</p>
<p>2. There is no list of 500 scientists signing a statement denying the existence of anthropogenic climate change. SmogBlog invented that &#8220;list&#8221; and ascribed it to Heartland as a straw man to continue its attack on Heartland. The 500 scientists SmogBlog refers to are those whose work in various aspects of climate change was cited in &#8220;Unstoppable Global Warming&#8221; by Fred Singer and Dennis Avery. Singer and Avery never asserted those scientists agreed on anything. Singer and Avery cited the scientists&#8217; work in a bibliography to buttress their argument that natural cycles of climate change exist.  </p>
<p>3. Academics cited in the Singer/Avery study have no right to demand that their work not appear in bibliographies such as in &#8220;Unstoppable Global Warming.&#8221; In fact, Singer and Avery do the authors a favor by stating clearly that not all of the authors cited question the theory of AGW.</p>
<p>4. Heartland offers more than 25,000 articles on its Website, including an abstract of &#8220;Unstoppable Global Warming.&#8221; That abstract appears on many other Web sites. Surely SmogBlog is able to access more than one site. Why focus on Heartland?</p>
<p>5. Heartland isn&#8217;t &#8220;one of Washington’s most conservative think tanks.&#8221; We&#8217;re based in Chicago.</p>
<p>6. If anyone has a gripe about the list of scientists cited in the bibliography, they should contact the Hudson Institute, which issued the press release that is on Heartland&#8217;s site.</p>
<p>Dan Miller<br />
Publisher<br />
Heartland Institute<br />
Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Juan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 10:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is great intel. thanks for sharing this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great intel. thanks for sharing this.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63305</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 21:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I am not now, nor have I ever been, a climate-change denier&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am not now, nor have I ever been, a climate-change denier&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Jenkins</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/04/30/global-warming-deniersdenied/#comment-63303</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesse Jenkins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gotta love when they get caught in their own lies!  This is some excellent investigative reporting by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DeSmogBlog&lt;/a&gt;, who continues to keep a close and scrutinizing watch on climate deniers, delayers and detractors.  Nice work &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.desmogblog.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DeSmogBlog&lt;/a&gt;!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love when they get caught in their own lies!  This is some excellent investigative reporting by <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/" rel="nofollow">DeSmogBlog</a>, who continues to keep a close and scrutinizing watch on climate deniers, delayers and detractors.  Nice work <a href="http://www.desmogblog.com/" rel="nofollow">DeSmogBlog</a>!</p>
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