Comments on: Dem Candidates Both Talking Up “Clean” Coal in Primary States http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/03/07/dem-candidates-both-talking-up-clean-coal-in-primary-states/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Sun, 21 Mar 2010 13:27:06 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: gerald duffy http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/03/07/dem-candidates-both-talking-up-clean-coal-in-primary-states/#comment-62247 gerald duffy Sun, 06 Apr 2008 12:35:46 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4401#comment-62247 The wind energy is a joke and should be trashed. Spend money on solar, and then look at hydrogen. But spending tax dollars on huge wind turbines paid for by tax dollars that produce squat for energy is out of touch with reality. The carbon credits scam as it is now enables coal fired plants to buy these credits and burn dirty. Lets not forget to mention the destruction of rural America and turning vast areas into industrial wind parks. Just remember Enron. Do not forget the birds. The pollution from wind is the huge expase of land they destroy. Just think in N.Y.S. the goal is 20,000, 400 foot towers. The wind energy is a joke and should be trashed. Spend money on solar, and then look at hydrogen. But spending tax dollars on huge wind turbines paid for by tax dollars that produce squat for energy is out of touch with reality. The carbon credits scam as it is now enables coal fired plants to buy these credits and burn dirty. Lets not forget to mention the destruction of rural America and turning vast areas into industrial wind parks. Just remember Enron. Do not forget the birds. The pollution from wind is the huge expase of land they destroy. Just think in N.Y.S. the goal is 20,000, 400 foot towers.

]]> By: phil http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/03/07/dem-candidates-both-talking-up-clean-coal-in-primary-states/#comment-61450 phil Tue, 11 Mar 2008 21:48:05 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4401#comment-61450 Not only are Clinton and Obama firmly in the pockets of the coal industry. They are also ardently pro-nukes. We cannot afford to put all (or any) of our eggs in the Democratic basket in the fight for climate change. Meaningful change must come from strong grassroots movements not politicians bought and paid for by multinational corportations. Sure go ahead and vote Democratic but don't waste too much time them. Our power is in the streets not the ballot box Not only are Clinton and Obama firmly in the pockets of the coal industry. They are also ardently pro-nukes. We cannot afford to put all (or any) of our eggs in the Democratic basket in the fight for climate change. Meaningful change must come from strong grassroots movements not politicians bought and paid for by multinational corportations. Sure go ahead and vote Democratic but don’t waste too much time them. Our power is in the streets not the ballot box

]]> By: gonk http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/03/07/dem-candidates-both-talking-up-clean-coal-in-primary-states/#comment-61425 gonk Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:30:15 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.wordpress.com/?p=4401#comment-61425 Clean Coal is a real solution for us right now, as well as something we can do in the meantime before we discover actual useful power for the long term. Wind power and solar are completely out-of-reach for our solutions to our power problems. Wind levels decrease in the summer and take up massive amounts of land to get anything useful. Neadless to say, wind power is made up of materials that also need to be mined. Solar power produces barely enough power to do anything on a large scale, unless it is done on a house-scale which would be useful. The few solar plants we have built barely exceed 150 MW which can be done with one turbine in a oil/coal plant at tons and tons less cost I'd admit we need solutions to these problems, wind and solar are not currently solutions. In 10-20 years they will be, but not now. We still need coal b/c of the massive industry that it is, it dominates teh freight industry, provides tens of thousands of jobs that can not be replaced in impoverished areas of virginia/wyoming. In the meantime, while we search for these solutions, clean coal is a somewhat "better" option. Everything you use is mined, solar cells are chips that include silicon and arsenic in chips....is that any better? Toxic chemicals are used to make them.....Studies have shown turbines are bad for bats, as well as the endangered sandhill crane. No option is 'good' in reality. Americans would not want to pay 4 times their power bills. I am an enviromentalist myself, but im also a realist and i deal with these issues/studies everyday Clean Coal is a real solution for us right now, as well as something we can do in the meantime before we discover actual useful power for the long term. Wind power and solar are completely out-of-reach for our solutions to our power problems. Wind levels decrease in the summer and take up massive amounts of land to get anything useful. Neadless to say, wind power is made up of materials that also need to be mined. Solar power produces barely enough power to do anything on a large scale, unless it is done on a house-scale which would be useful. The few solar plants we have built barely exceed 150 MW which can be done with one turbine in a oil/coal plant at tons and tons less cost

I’d admit we need solutions to these problems, wind and solar are not currently solutions. In 10-20 years they will be, but not now. We still need coal b/c of the massive industry that it is, it dominates teh freight industry, provides tens of thousands of jobs that can not be replaced in impoverished areas of virginia/wyoming. In the meantime, while we search for these solutions, clean coal is a somewhat “better” option.

Everything you use is mined, solar cells are chips that include silicon and arsenic in chips….is that any better? Toxic chemicals are used to make them…..Studies have shown turbines are bad for bats, as well as the endangered sandhill crane. No option is ‘good’ in reality. Americans would not want to pay 4 times their power bills. I am an enviromentalist myself, but im also a realist and i deal with these issues/studies everyday

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