Comments on: Obama vs. Clinton: A Second Thought http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Fri, 16 May 2008 17:34:13 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: 3753 Blogs » Obama vs. Clinton or shall I say Gender vs. Race http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61690 3753 Blogs » Obama vs. Clinton or shall I say Gender vs. Race Thu, 20 Mar 2008 15:15:37 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61690 [...] http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/ [...] [...] http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/ [...]

]]> By: Eduardo Corte Real http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61511 Eduardo Corte Real Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:34:26 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61511 Young people en Europe likes Obama very much. After 50 they still like but... is he ablle? Hope so, I a european, first partner os USA, if is bad for you it will be bad of us as well, for sure Young people en Europe likes Obama very much. After 50 they still like but… is he ablle? Hope so, I a european, first partner os USA, if is bad for you it will be bad of us as well, for sure

]]> By: Murphy http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61121 Murphy Mon, 18 Feb 2008 21:44:19 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61121 "I’m not going to vote for Obama in the Democratic Party primary because I’m a registered Green. I’m not going to vote for him if he’s the Democratic nominee in November. I’m not going to send him any money. But I’ll be rooting for him to defeat Hillary Clinton, and if he does I hope he defeats the Republican candidate." Reading your post, I was shocked when I got to those words. I am hoping that you mean to say that you will be voting for McKinney since not voting seems antithetical to the points you are making. I understand frustration over the current two-party system, but letting your voice be silenced because of it is just feeding the machine. I hope that you will reconsider your decision "not to vote" but to "hope" Obama wins. In my mind, not voting hinders the goals of activism and the pursuit of the real changes this country needs. “I’m not going to vote for Obama in the Democratic Party primary because I’m a registered Green. I’m not going to vote for him if he’s the Democratic nominee in November. I’m not going to send him any money. But I’ll be rooting for him to defeat Hillary Clinton, and if he does I hope he defeats the Republican candidate.”

Reading your post, I was shocked when I got to those words. I am hoping that you mean to say that you will be voting for McKinney since not voting seems antithetical to the points you are making. I understand frustration over the current two-party system, but letting your voice be silenced because of it is just feeding the machine. I hope that you will reconsider your decision “not to vote” but to “hope” Obama wins. In my mind, not voting hinders the goals of activism and the pursuit of the real changes this country needs.

]]> By: stinpol http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61117 stinpol Sun, 17 Feb 2008 09:26:30 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-61117 Eventually one has to compromise in order to become unified. I doubt that the green movement as you represent it will ever be anything more than a "Nay" sayer and a spoiler. In other words, a supremely negative force. And that's too bad, because we need the point of view represented at the table. If you want to be absolute and uncompromising, you can only be dead. BTW I like the windmill but the facist emblem hand is frightening. Eventually one has to compromise in order to become unified. I doubt that the green movement as you represent it will ever be anything more than a “Nay” sayer and a spoiler. In other words, a supremely negative force. And that’s too bad, because we need the point of view represented at the table. If you want to be absolute and uncompromising, you can only be dead. BTW I like the windmill but the facist emblem hand is frightening.

]]> By: Melinna http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60899 Melinna Tue, 05 Feb 2008 09:54:53 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60899 Im interested in reading more about Amiri Baraka's thoughts on Obama so I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Thanks, Melinna Im interested in reading more about Amiri Baraka’s thoughts on Obama so I was hoping you could point me in the right direction. Thanks, Melinna

]]> By: annastarrrose http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60888 annastarrrose Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:09:11 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60888 Ted thanks for this article, it was great. Ted thanks for this article, it was great.

]]> By: Joe http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60886 Joe Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:51:56 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60886 Obama's 'momentum' is based on a lack of examination. As The Nation reported last week, he's got necon advisors for his economic ticket. He is not proposing universal health care or anything as forward as Clinton is or Edwards was. Paul Krugman takes on the myths of Obama's health care in today's New York Times. There is no movement behind Obama, there is just a fantasy and the fantasy exists to recruit more into the two-party system. If Glick is truly for Cynthia McKinney, he needs to stop penning fantasies about Obama. McKinney's a real candidate, Obama is a fantasy. Obama’s ‘momentum’ is based on a lack of examination. As The Nation reported last week, he’s got necon advisors for his economic ticket. He is not proposing universal health care or anything as forward as Clinton is or Edwards was. Paul Krugman takes on the myths of Obama’s health care in today’s New York Times. There is no movement behind Obama, there is just a fantasy and the fantasy exists to recruit more into the two-party system. If Glick is truly for Cynthia McKinney, he needs to stop penning fantasies about Obama. McKinney’s a real candidate, Obama is a fantasy.

]]> By: Progressive Network of Southeast PA » Blog Archive » Daily quotes http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60874 Progressive Network of Southeast PA » Blog Archive » Daily quotes Sun, 03 Feb 2008 23:11:47 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60874 [...] November 11th, 2007 by SEPA window.document.getElementById('post-164').parentNode.className += ' adhesive_post';For 2/3: “It may be that if Obama becomes President, the political forces he has unleashed — particularly among young people and the African American community — will come to constitute a progressive political bloc that, by means of independent pressure from below, will make it difficult for him to accommodate to the conservative and corporate interests —w ith whom he has significant connections — who will undoubtedly lean on him.” — Ted Glick, “Obama vs. Clinton: A Second Thought,” 2/2/08 at itsgettinghotinhere.org/. [...] [...] November 11th, 2007 by SEPA window.document.getElementById(’post-164′).parentNode.className += ‘ adhesive_post’;For 2/3: “It may be that if Obama becomes President, the political forces he has unleashed — particularly among young people and the African American community — will come to constitute a progressive political bloc that, by means of independent pressure from below, will make it difficult for him to accommodate to the conservative and corporate interests —w ith whom he has significant connections — who will undoubtedly lean on him.” — Ted Glick, “Obama vs. Clinton: A Second Thought,” 2/2/08 at itsgettinghotinhere.org/. [...]

]]> By: Tony Welsh http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60873 Tony Welsh Sun, 03 Feb 2008 21:35:43 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60873 Not sure Obama is any different from the rest. He claims to have passed legislation in Illinois to force nuclear power stations to report leaks, but in fact the legislation was never passed and the nuclear industry is a major donator to his campaign. (See NYT today, Sunday Feb 3.) I think both candidates, and McCain too, are committed to doing somehing about climate change, but I think Hillary will be the strongest and the most likely to get somethig done. Please take a look at tonysclimateblog.blogspot.com, where i expect to post on this topic soon. Not sure Obama is any different from the rest. He claims to have passed legislation in Illinois to force nuclear power stations to report leaks, but in fact the legislation was never passed and the nuclear industry is a major donator to his campaign. (See NYT today, Sunday Feb 3.) I think both candidates, and McCain too, are committed to doing somehing about climate change, but I think Hillary will be the strongest and the most likely to get somethig done. Please take a look at tonysclimateblog.blogspot.com, where i expect to post on this topic soon.

]]> By: Wayne http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60840 Wayne Sun, 03 Feb 2008 00:43:51 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/02/02/obama-vs-clinton-a-second-thought/#comment-60840 Great article! I had not been much aware of Cynthia McKinney before. Maybe President Obama will appoint her to a cabinet post, do you think? Great article! I had not been much aware of Cynthia McKinney before. Maybe President Obama will appoint her to a cabinet post, do you think?

]]>