Comments on: Coal-Bama? http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Fri, 16 May 2008 17:34:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU By: Clinton: “Maybe there’s a way to recover those mountain tops . . .” « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-61651 Clinton: “Maybe there’s a way to recover those mountain tops . . .” « It’s Getting Hot In Here Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:26:10 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-61651 [...] jamiehenn, March 19th, 2008 Coal , Coal Campaign , Fossil Fools Day , Politics With all the attention to Obama’s wavering on coal issues, have we been letting Clinton off the hook? In an interview this morning [...] [...] jamiehenn, March 19th, 2008 Coal , Coal Campaign , Fossil Fools Day , Politics With all the attention to Obama’s wavering on coal issues, have we been letting Clinton off the hook? In an interview this morning [...]

]]> By: Brit http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60495 Brit Tue, 15 Jan 2008 15:15:42 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60495 Hey guys, I have been keeping up with your blogs and feel we need to stay together on the concerns about the Obama’s coal issue. A lot of you have expressed your opinions and facts on this matter. Environmentalists has said, that “focusing on coal does nothing to arrest climate change. Instead, they say, lawmakers should back cleaner alternative fuels and stricter automobile and industrial emissions standards”. I would like to hear more on your views and would be interested on any plans or information of joining together in South Carolina to view our opinions. Hey guys, I have been keeping up with your blogs and feel we need to stay together on the concerns about the Obama’s coal issue. A lot of you have expressed your opinions and facts on this matter. Environmentalists has said, that “focusing on coal does nothing to arrest climate change. Instead, they say, lawmakers should back cleaner alternative fuels and stricter automobile and industrial emissions standards”.
I would like to hear more on your views and would be interested on any plans or information of joining together in South Carolina to view our opinions.

]]> By: Jamie Henn http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60342 Jamie Henn Sat, 12 Jan 2008 22:36:13 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60342 Another aspect of the Coal-bama debate, see in it what you will: Obama: New Mining Bill too Tough on Companies Reno Gazette Journal, 11/7/2007 The recent mining reform billed passed by the U.S. House is "not optimal" and should be rewritten to reduce the economic burden on mining companies, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama said Tuesday. During a conference call with Nevada reporters to present his rural agenda, Obama said he would seek a better compromise on the bill now that it is in the U.S. Senate. "What's clear to me is that the legislation that has been proposed places a significant burden on the mining industry and could have a significant impact on jobs," he said. "We are going to have to keep on working to find the kind of legislation that is going to provide fair compensation for these federal lands and also enhances environmental protection (and) cleans up abandoned mines." Read the entire article by following the link below: http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071107/NEWS19/711070420 Another aspect of the Coal-bama debate, see in it what you will:

Obama: New Mining Bill too Tough on Companies
Reno Gazette Journal, 11/7/2007

The recent mining reform billed passed by the U.S. House is “not optimal” and should be rewritten to reduce the economic burden on mining companies, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama said Tuesday.

During a conference call with Nevada reporters to present his rural agenda, Obama said he would seek a better compromise on the bill now that it is in the U.S. Senate.

“What’s clear to me is that the legislation that has been proposed places a significant burden on the mining industry and could have a significant impact on jobs,” he said. “We are going to have to keep on working to find the kind of legislation that is going to provide fair compensation for these federal lands and also enhances environmental protection (and) cleans up abandoned mines.”

Read the entire article by following the link below:
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071107/NEWS19/711070420

]]> By: Cascadia Brian http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60261 Cascadia Brian Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:11:54 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60261 This is a thread about obama, not about "clean" coal...but for what it's worth, Stephen Johnson [whose weblink is to an coal industry site, which, incidentally has a hilarious logo of a coal sunflower] is both diverting the subject of this thread and spueing industry lies on the site. Are we to ignore it and risk that newer readers eat up the propaganda? Stephen, i'm curious, are you part of the youth climate and green energy movement? What brought you to this site? I would strongly encourage other seasoned readers and editors for this site to not just sit back and let [would be?] dirty energy industry spokespeople run wild here. Newer readers may have missed the dozen odd articles posted here in the past debunking "clean" coal scam. The youth climate movement and the more principled groups within the rest of the environmental movement have come out against clean coal. This movement is about reducing energy consumption, increasing efficieny, and promoting low-impact wind and solar...Not one step backward... Clean Coal is a lie: - http://www.desmogblog.com/the-expensive-myth-of-clean-coal - http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/en/asia-energy-revolution/dirty-energy/clean-coal-myth/clean-coal-myths-and-facts - http://www.energyjustice.net/coal/igcc/ - http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3948 - http://theprlab.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/dr-karl-debunks-clean-coal-pr-myth/ This is a thread about obama, not about “clean” coal…but for what it’s worth, Stephen Johnson [whose weblink is to an coal industry site, which, incidentally has a hilarious logo of a coal sunflower] is both diverting the subject of this thread and spueing industry lies on the site.

Are we to ignore it and risk that newer readers eat up the propaganda?

Stephen, i’m curious, are you part of the youth climate and green energy movement? What brought you to this site?

I would strongly encourage other seasoned readers and editors for this site to not just sit back and let [would be?] dirty energy industry spokespeople run wild here.

Newer readers may have missed the dozen odd articles posted here in the past debunking “clean” coal scam.

The youth climate movement and the more principled groups within the rest of the environmental movement have come out against clean coal.

This movement is about reducing energy consumption, increasing efficieny, and promoting low-impact wind and solar…Not one step backward…

Clean Coal is a lie:
- http://www.desmogblog.com/the-expensive-myth-of-clean-coal
- http://www.greenpeace.org/seasia/en/asia-energy-revolution/dirty-energy/clean-coal-myth/clean-coal-myths-and-facts
- http://www.energyjustice.net/coal/igcc/
- http://www.emagazine.com/view/?3948
- http://theprlab.wordpress.com/2007/11/03/dr-karl-debunks-clean-coal-pr-myth/

]]> By: Morgan http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60252 Morgan Fri, 11 Jan 2008 14:28:47 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60252 Here's another voice for Obama; I can't add any more reasons right now. What I do want to add is that this is the type of discussion we need more of on this blog. Too often posts on IGHIH are things we all agree with, not intended to draw out differing opinions. When ideas are brought up that don't really jive with our thinking they tend to be ignored or shot down. We need to be very clear that this isn't just an echo chamber, so I like this thread. Here’s another voice for Obama; I can’t add any more reasons right now.

What I do want to add is that this is the type of discussion we need more of on this blog. Too often posts on IGHIH are things we all agree with, not intended to draw out differing opinions. When ideas are brought up that don’t really jive with our thinking they tend to be ignored or shot down. We need to be very clear that this isn’t just an echo chamber, so I like this thread.

]]> By: R Margolis http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60249 R Margolis Fri, 11 Jan 2008 12:29:45 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60249 Sen. Obama has put nuclear at the bottom of his list, just like Sen. Clinton. Everything I have heard him say recently is that nuclear would play a role AFTER renewables and efficiency have had their shot. He is not a nuclear advocate like Gov. Huckabee. Rather he seems to be giving himself a political out if the renewables don't pan out or need more transition time. Sen. Obama has put nuclear at the bottom of his list, just like Sen. Clinton. Everything I have heard him say recently is that nuclear would play a role AFTER renewables and efficiency have had their shot. He is not a nuclear advocate like Gov. Huckabee. Rather he seems to be giving himself a political out if the renewables don’t pan out or need more transition time.

]]> By: Evan Webb http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60231 Evan Webb Fri, 11 Jan 2008 05:39:31 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60231 plus, many candidates who are elected take this as being some kind of mandate to the people to carry out the platform they campaigned for... if obama favors clean coal as a platform, then when you elect him you should not be surprised when that's what we see plus, many candidates who are elected take this as being some kind of mandate to the people to carry out the platform they campaigned for… if obama favors clean coal as a platform, then when you elect him you should not be surprised when that’s what we see

]]> By: Cascadia Brian http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60226 Cascadia Brian Fri, 11 Jan 2008 04:20:25 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60226 Sorry Jamie, but I find this a bit hard to believe. There is *already* a powerful movement against coal in this country. Our allies have been on TV, Radio, Time magazine calling for an end to MTR for gods sakes...do you think Obama hasn't heard of this movement? Even if you think he somehow make the case he hasn't heard (enough) yet, how about his pro-nuclear power position? The anti-nukes movement is one of the most longstanding, enduring environmental movements in history. Has he never heard of Greenpeace? Why is he on the wrong side of this issue too? If it takes getting 1 million people in the streets (as the civil rights and anti-war movement has) I'm sorry but we're still (unfortunately) a long way from being there despite the day-to-day life and death struggles of coal-field residents and climate change effected communitiies: I don't think the planet has time to wait for Obama to wake up and see the movement. Being a great speaker and movement builder is right, but having ideals -- from the beginning -- is more important. To be honest, I don't see how a real progressive movement builder that doesn't have a broad-ranging, encompassing set of ideals about environmental justice can exist. My point, Obama is a great, convincing speaker with some marginally liberal politics, but his commitment to a just energy future is weak at best. I can more easily imagine his charisma rallying the country around clean coal, ethanol and nukes then a just energy future. Sorry Jamie, but I find this a bit hard to believe.

There is *already* a powerful movement against coal in this country. Our allies have been on TV, Radio, Time magazine calling for an end to MTR for gods sakes…do you think Obama hasn’t heard of this movement?

Even if you think he somehow make the case he hasn’t heard (enough) yet, how about his pro-nuclear power position?

The anti-nukes movement is one of the most longstanding, enduring environmental movements in history. Has he never heard of Greenpeace? Why is he on the wrong side of this issue too?

If it takes getting 1 million people in the streets (as the civil rights and anti-war movement has) I’m sorry but we’re still (unfortunately) a long way from being there despite the day-to-day life and death struggles of coal-field residents and climate change effected communitiies: I don’t think the planet has time to wait for Obama to wake up and see the movement.

Being a great speaker and movement builder is right, but having ideals — from the beginning — is more important. To be honest, I don’t see how a real progressive movement builder that doesn’t have a broad-ranging, encompassing set of ideals about environmental justice can exist.

My point, Obama is a great, convincing speaker with some marginally liberal politics, but his commitment to a just energy future is weak at best.

I can more easily imagine his charisma rallying the country around clean coal, ethanol and nukes then a just energy future.

]]> By: L.G. http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60215 L.G. Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:08:20 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60215 I do agree with Jamie on changing the concept of all the candidates position on coal. Obama has said," He will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology. Obama has worked on numerous efforts in the Senate to increase access to and use of renewable fuels. I believe he can make a change into the right direction. Is anyone going to S.C.? I do agree with Jamie on changing the concept of all the candidates position on coal. Obama has said,” He will significantly increase the resources devoted to the commercialization and deployment of low-carbon coal technologies. Obama will consider whatever policy tools are necessary, including standards that ban new traditional coal facilities, to ensure that we move quickly to commercialize and deploy low carbon coal technology.

Obama has worked on numerous efforts in the Senate to increase access to and use of renewable fuels.
I believe he can make a change into the right direction.
Is anyone going to S.C.?

]]> By: Matt http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60207 Matt Thu, 10 Jan 2008 22:11:42 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2008/01/09/coal-bama/#comment-60207 @ Stephen - clean coal is myth. Even the coal industry is realizing this as "clean" coal plants continue to be scrapped amid fears of global warming and environmental legislation. See - http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080102/OPINION/801020440/1030 On the other hand, efficiency and renewables are available and ACTUALLY clean. @ Stephen - clean coal is myth. Even the coal industry is realizing this as “clean” coal plants continue to be scrapped amid fears of global warming and environmental legislation. See - http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20080102/OPINION/801020440/1030

On the other hand, efficiency and renewables are available and ACTUALLY clean.

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