Comments on: After Peak Oil, Peak Food http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Sat, 13 Mar 2010 05:47:46 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: SMALL STEPS | Little Homestead in the City http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-64612 SMALL STEPS | Little Homestead in the City Wed, 04 Jun 2008 14:55:35 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-64612 [...] take know to lessen the steep learning curve that will come with the ascending “Peak” (peak food, peak oil, peak [...] [...] take know to lessen the steep learning curve that will come with the ascending “Peak” (peak food, peak oil, peak [...]

]]> By: Chuck http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55261 Chuck Thu, 25 Oct 2007 23:30:23 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55261 CERA are really "cornucopians" - of all the credible individuals and organizations predicting the date of the onset of Peak Oil, CERA's date is always the farthest out. I wouldn't call them conservative. Considering the consequences, CERA are the most optimistic, unrealistically so. Our economic system also requires constant growth. The opposite will happen after Peak Oil. If there is less and less energy available each year, economic growth is impossible. Remember that even during the Great Depression, energy supplies were increasing. CERA are really “cornucopians” – of all the credible individuals and organizations predicting the date of the onset of Peak Oil, CERA’s date is always the farthest out. I wouldn’t call them conservative. Considering the consequences, CERA are the most optimistic, unrealistically so.

Our economic system also requires constant growth. The opposite will happen after Peak Oil. If there is less and less energy available each year, economic growth is impossible. Remember that even during the Great Depression, energy supplies were increasing.

]]> By: Dan Dixson http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55198 Dan Dixson Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:34:08 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55198 Little recognition let alone analysis has been given to the economic aspect of peak oil. The demand destruction in the poorer countries has been proceeding since the actual oil peak in the spring of 2005. This explains why there has been fuel in our domestic gas tanks. However, once we begin to feel the pinch in the U.S. all of the rules of economics change. Our entire economic structure depends upon an ever increasing supply of oil to support the petro dollar system. It is the only thing propping up the dollar. The world assumes that the decline of oil supplies will be an orderly phenomenon, economically. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reality is more akin to a colossal global ponzi scheme that will unravel. Once the cracks in the world economic structure begin, they will be unmendable. The other aspect receiving little attention is the peak in oil exports. The primary oil suppliers for the U.S. are ALL near or past their ability to maintain their exports to us. The rest of the world's oil supply is only relevant to the US indirectly. Mexico our second largest supplier will run out within five years. At present rates of domestic consumption increase Saudi Arabia will be unable to export oil within ten years. We are teetering on the edge, enjoy it while it lasts. Little recognition let alone analysis has been given to the economic aspect of peak oil. The demand destruction in the poorer countries has been proceeding since the actual oil peak in the spring of 2005. This explains why there has been fuel in our domestic gas tanks. However, once we begin to feel the pinch in the U.S. all of the rules of economics change. Our entire economic structure depends upon an ever increasing supply of oil to support the petro dollar system. It is the only thing propping up the dollar. The world assumes that the decline of oil supplies will be an orderly phenomenon, economically. Nothing could be further from the truth. The reality is more akin to a colossal global ponzi scheme that will unravel. Once the cracks in the world economic structure begin, they will be unmendable.

The other aspect receiving little attention is the peak in oil exports. The primary oil suppliers for the U.S. are ALL near or past their ability to maintain their exports to us. The rest of the world’s oil supply is only relevant to the US indirectly. Mexico our second largest supplier will run out within five years. At present rates of domestic consumption increase Saudi Arabia will be unable to export oil within ten years. We are teetering on the edge, enjoy it while it lasts.

]]> By: R Margolis http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55183 R Margolis Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:38:29 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55183 Even the more conservative Cambridge Energy Reasearch Associates (cera.com) places the oil plateau between 2030 and 2050 which is soon enough in energy timeframes (historically energy transitions take about 30 years). The oil plateau, combined with climate change and the economic changes in the developing world are a triad that could trigger serious changes. Even the more conservative Cambridge Energy Reasearch Associates (cera.com) places the oil plateau between 2030 and 2050 which is soon enough in energy timeframes (historically energy transitions take about 30 years). The oil plateau, combined with climate change and the economic changes in the developing world are a triad that could trigger serious changes.

]]> By: NormE http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55142 NormE Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:16:16 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55142 We will be in terrible shape long before we reach $200 per barrel. As the world's biggest fuel importer and biggest debtor nation already, we already have a falling standard of living: soaring fuel costs will drive up the cost of virtually EVERYTHING. Look forward to national bankruptcy, a forsaken US dollar as a foreign reserve currency, high interest rates, high inflation, massive layoffs and regrets about our choices for national leadership since Jimmy Carter. Buy a bicycle and learn how to garden! We used to be the manufacturing leaders of the world - much of it is now dismantled and gone. It will be very difficult to rebuild in an era of energy descent. We will be in terrible shape long before we reach $200 per barrel. As the world’s biggest fuel importer and biggest debtor nation already, we already have a falling standard of living: soaring fuel costs will drive up the cost of virtually EVERYTHING. Look forward to national bankruptcy, a forsaken US dollar as a foreign reserve currency, high interest rates, high inflation, massive layoffs and regrets about our choices for national leadership since Jimmy Carter. Buy a bicycle and learn how to garden! We used to be the manufacturing leaders of the world – much of it is now dismantled and gone. It will be very difficult to rebuild in an era of energy descent.

]]> By: Thaddeus Dombrowski http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55141 Thaddeus Dombrowski Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:16:01 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55141 David says, "The US can weather exorbitant prices for much longer, and so I predict we will see the effects of severe oil shortages in other countries long before we see it here." I would like to point out that this only holds true if the dollar doesn't collapse in value. "The head of the International Monetary Fund, Rodrigo Rato, warned Monday there are risks of an "abrupt fall" in the dollar, linked to a loss of confidence in dollar assets. " http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071022154152.yz1uni1v&show_article=1 David says, “The US can weather exorbitant prices for much longer, and so I predict we will see the effects of severe oil shortages in other countries long before we see it here.”

I would like to point out that this only holds true if the dollar doesn’t collapse in value.

“The head of the International Monetary Fund, Rodrigo Rato, warned Monday there are risks of an “abrupt fall” in the dollar, linked to a loss of confidence in dollar assets. ” http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071022154152.yz1uni1v&show_article=1

]]> By: AaronG http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55123 AaronG Tue, 23 Oct 2007 14:34:17 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55123 Actually, with all the land we have, and much less pollution than other countries, we're in a pretty damn good position when oil hits $200 per gallon, all things considered. Actually, with all the land we have, and much less pollution than other countries, we’re in a pretty damn good position when oil hits $200 per gallon, all things considered.

]]> By: Alex Maddox http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55117 Alex Maddox Tue, 23 Oct 2007 12:00:53 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55117 Read the articles about this in World Energy Magazine. You'll find some of the items discuss fascinating. Read the articles about this in World Energy Magazine. You’ll find some of the items discuss fascinating.

]]> By: Amy Ortiz http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55104 Amy Ortiz Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:48:59 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55104 The connection between MTR and industrial farming don't end there with nitrate being used for fertilizer and explosives. In Florida (and other places) the lovely practice of phosphate mining rips of the top of the earth to access resources. A paradigm shift is what is really needed to solve climate change, not solutions that cover up the issues and maintain the status quo. The connection between MTR and industrial farming don’t end there with nitrate being used for fertilizer and explosives. In Florida (and other places) the lovely practice of phosphate mining rips of the top of the earth to access resources.
A paradigm shift is what is really needed to solve climate change, not solutions that cover up the issues and maintain the status quo.

]]> By: Evan http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55101 Evan Tue, 23 Oct 2007 04:37:22 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/10/22/after-peak-oil-peak-food/#comment-55101 indeed, industrial agriculture is an energy hog (though why are pigs getting a bad rap, when it's really people... an energy human?). from my understanding the haber process, which is used to take nitrogen from the air and put it in compounds like ammonium nitrate... which are then used for fertilizer, uses 1% of the total energy used by the world annually. this compound, coincidentally, is also heavily used for explosives like in west virginia where its employed for coal mining and mountain top removal... indeed, industrial agriculture is an energy hog (though why are pigs getting a bad rap, when it’s really people… an energy human?). from my understanding the haber process, which is used to take nitrogen from the air and put it in compounds like ammonium nitrate… which are then used for fertilizer, uses 1% of the total energy used by the world annually. this compound, coincidentally, is also heavily used for explosives like in west virginia where its employed for coal mining and mountain top removal…

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