Comments on: Coal-to-Liquids: Energy Security (without the security part) http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/ Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement Sun, 06 May 2012 08:12:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Obama: You Can’t Fight Global Warming with Coal « It’s Getting Hot In Here http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-46106 Fri, 08 Jun 2007 18:49:04 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-46106 [...] probably heard about liquid coal by now. Some members of Congress are claiming that it is the right way to move America beyond oil. [...]

]]> By: Obama, Coal, and Politics as Usual? « BARACK THE YOUTH VOTE http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-46042 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 16:34:35 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-46042 [...] least issued a cogent defense of his position. But unfortunately, the bill trudges on, as does the criticism from climate advocates. Young people are paying attention to Obama’s positions on climate and energy, and Obama [...]

]]> By: Ron Smith http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45994 Wed, 30 May 2007 18:19:07 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45994 How would you young people like a draft brought back so you can be forced to fight for big Oil anywhere in the world? We can produce energy in the Unithed States or our congress and President will eventually bring back the draft if the energy supply becomes constrained enough. I would much rather pay a high price for energy than see my only son drafted and sent to bum-screw egypt to fight for it. How many of you would go if Drafted?

]]> By: Amy Ortiz http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45993 Wed, 30 May 2007 15:58:39 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45993 Thanks so much for blogging about this. I read this article yesterday and I was horrified to see that this destructive industry is trying to push coal-to-liquids as a solution to our energy crisis. It is clear that the youth needs to educate people and prevent us from investing any money in this inherently unsustainable and unjust fuel. The fact that it has only been used on a large scale by the Nazis and during the apartheid also adds to my complete rejection of this as a solution.

]]> By: Kim Teplitzky http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45992 Wed, 30 May 2007 15:40:09 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45992 For the full story on what’s happening on this in Congress, check out the NY Times article here: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/29/business/29coal.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

This is a really serious issue for the people of Appalachia who are already suffering from the destruction of surface mining (read: mountain top removal). They’ve been fighting back and were recently in DC for the Mountain Top Removal lobby week where residents of West Virginia met with Rep. Rahall only to find him to be more a friend of coal than a protector of his constituents. Fortunately, his disregard for the health, safety and well being of the people he represents served only to fire up these volunteers even more. After the lobby week, one volunteer, in great frustration, said, “I’m goin’ back!” Meaning the residents of West Virginia are not giving up so easily and even though Rahall is supporting some backwards stuff, they’re going to keep fighting until they win back their communities, their health, their respect and safe, reliable jobs for the people of Appalachia.

]]> By: Steven Stoft http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45991 Wed, 30 May 2007 15:36:43 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45991 The energy balance is not zero at best, it’s just plain negative, here’s why. I’m an energy economist, so I think about the whole system (the world). Produce more here, and you reduce imports (that’s their point). Reduce imports and you increase available world supply. Increase supply and you reduce world price. Decrease world price and you increase world consumption. Add the world’s extra energy and CO2 to zero (at best 10 years from now) decrease in the US and you’ve gone negative. More global warming. This chapter of my book will be posted on zFacts later today.
Also “without the security” is more true than you think. This will provide zero protection for consumers and the US economy. Here’s why. At the gas pump you pay the world price of oil. It does not matter if the oil your gas was made from was produced in the US, or made from corn ethanol, you still pay the same high world price. All that happens in an oil price shock is that American oil, coal-to-liquids, and ethanol companies, make bigger profits because they sell you more gas at the world price. Learn some econ, do the numbers. Don’t let them get away with this.

]]> By: Tom Gray http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45989 Wed, 30 May 2007 01:09:41 +0000 http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/05/29/coal-to-liquids-energy-security-without-the-security-part/#comment-45989 You may want to check out the latest bright idea in anti-clean energy legislation in the U.S. Congress: Subtitle D of H.R. 2337. This legislation would make it a crime, punishable by a $50,000 fine or a year in jail, to build a new wind power plant without a certificate from the federal government.

More background information, including our written testimony on the bill (we asked to testify on it in person, but were turned down) and a list of state wind siting regulations already in place, here. To take action to oppose this misguided legislation, go here.

Regards,
Thomas O. Gray
American Wind Energy Association
http://www.awea.org
risingwind.blogspot.com

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