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	<description>Dispatches from the Youth Climate Movement</description>
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		<title>By: Matt Reitman</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/04/30/racing-towards-the-climate-election-poll/#comment-45638</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Reitman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 12:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what's up with all the deferring back to the war and terrorism debate?? it's like they're afraid to talk about climate issues...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s up with all the deferring back to the war and terrorism debate?? it&#8217;s like they&#8217;re afraid to talk about climate issues&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 09:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,

Thank you for the reply. I concur that a purely personal change model is not sufficient. My main concern is when persons give their "power" over to politicians... that is putting their hopes for better tomorrows into another. Certainly we should work with others to make change reality, and I think grassroots methods are much more effective than trying to sway the course of humanity. "Trickle down" ecology won't work any more than it has with economics.

In terms of how we work in relation to governments on this issue, I think perhaps the best place to start is in our own communities and with local governments.

I think you and I are probably very much in agreement on things, and, again, my comments were made generally as a safeguard against projecting too much power on others.

peace,
Evan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Thank you for the reply. I concur that a purely personal change model is not sufficient. My main concern is when persons give their &#8220;power&#8221; over to politicians&#8230; that is putting their hopes for better tomorrows into another. Certainly we should work with others to make change reality, and I think grassroots methods are much more effective than trying to sway the course of humanity. &#8220;Trickle down&#8221; ecology won&#8217;t work any more than it has with economics.</p>
<p>In terms of how we work in relation to governments on this issue, I think perhaps the best place to start is in our own communities and with local governments.</p>
<p>I think you and I are probably very much in agreement on things, and, again, my comments were made generally as a safeguard against projecting too much power on others.</p>
<p>peace,<br />
Evan</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Lynch</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/04/30/racing-towards-the-climate-election-poll/#comment-45633</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Lynch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 07:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there's a deeper point in Evan's comment. For a long time I have been frustrated both by a lack of leadership on climate change in my country and by a focus in the media and in politics on personal rather than political solutions. However, I think there is something that we are missing if we narrow our definition of politics in response to national events. I think the kind of personal change that Evan is talking about is more than simply changing light bulbs and turning down thermostats. Reducing our footprint is a worthy goal and will set a positive example for others. We need to do more than that however. If we want others to stand with us in this struggle we have to know why we this matters to us, define our principles, and lead by example in a holistic way.

Yes, we absolutely have to demand that our national representatives do more to move us toward the vision that we wish to see in the world. However, we cannot be the ones compromising and groaning when they let us down, which they inevitably will. We have to be the ones taking our message to people at every level of society and to the institutions that shape our lives. If we do this with conviction, consistently, and with solid principles in mind, we will succeed. Remember, this is the challenge of a generation, of a lifetime. The solution requires a fundamental shift in how how all of us live our lives. That is not something we can leave to any one president, senator, CEO, or activist. This is the climate election. It is also a critical time to put our bodies on the line to stop the building of new coal-fired power plants that will destroy our communities and our climate for fifty years if they are built. It is also a critical time to bring our communities together around local 21 plans for sustainability. It is a critical time for researching the kind of deep change solutions to replace our fossil fuel infrastructure with something better. If we cannot envision it today, how are we going to build it by 2050? This is a challenge for all of humanity. And yes, I agree that it does start inside each and every one of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s a deeper point in Evan&#8217;s comment. For a long time I have been frustrated both by a lack of leadership on climate change in my country and by a focus in the media and in politics on personal rather than political solutions. However, I think there is something that we are missing if we narrow our definition of politics in response to national events. I think the kind of personal change that Evan is talking about is more than simply changing light bulbs and turning down thermostats. Reducing our footprint is a worthy goal and will set a positive example for others. We need to do more than that however. If we want others to stand with us in this struggle we have to know why we this matters to us, define our principles, and lead by example in a holistic way.</p>
<p>Yes, we absolutely have to demand that our national representatives do more to move us toward the vision that we wish to see in the world. However, we cannot be the ones compromising and groaning when they let us down, which they inevitably will. We have to be the ones taking our message to people at every level of society and to the institutions that shape our lives. If we do this with conviction, consistently, and with solid principles in mind, we will succeed. Remember, this is the challenge of a generation, of a lifetime. The solution requires a fundamental shift in how how all of us live our lives. That is not something we can leave to any one president, senator, CEO, or activist. This is the climate election. It is also a critical time to put our bodies on the line to stop the building of new coal-fired power plants that will destroy our communities and our climate for fifty years if they are built. It is also a critical time to bring our communities together around local 21 plans for sustainability. It is a critical time for researching the kind of deep change solutions to replace our fossil fuel infrastructure with something better. If we cannot envision it today, how are we going to build it by 2050? This is a challenge for all of humanity. And yes, I agree that it does start inside each and every one of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Stern</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/04/30/racing-towards-the-climate-election-poll/#comment-45634</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Stern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 03:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Evan,

Thanks for comment.  However, I would like to pull a deeper explanation out of it.  While I believe that climate change can be a scary, scary prospect and it is essential that we internalize and come to grips with the future we are creating.  Only through such ownership will we build a vision of what is necessary and understand that with the challenges ahead come great opportunities.

Unfortunately, I fear that solely advocating for personal action will not get us where we need to be.  People - including myself - have been changing light bulbs, turning down thermostats, biking, etc. for years.  However we a need a f@cking social movement and we need it ASAP.  We need to hold our politicians accountable and turn them into the leaders that embody our values - about climate change and a host of other issues.

I have to admit that looking at the list above doesn't get me particularly pumped.  And, as Andrew pointed out, it is incredibly unfortunate that our "first opportunity to put a women or a person of color in the white house has been tainted by the fact that neither of them have come out with a strong energy policy".  However that is where we - the people come in.  We have the power to make Obama and Hillary better on climate.  We also have the power to make Edwards, Richards, et al. anti-racist and pro-feminist allies that Obama and Hillary respectively symbolize in many people's eyes.

Ultimately, we have the power to make our voices extend beyond "a check mark on a ballot" and I hope that - you and I Evan - are speaking the same language of the "people".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Evan,</p>
<p>Thanks for comment.  However, I would like to pull a deeper explanation out of it.  While I believe that climate change can be a scary, scary prospect and it is essential that we internalize and come to grips with the future we are creating.  Only through such ownership will we build a vision of what is necessary and understand that with the challenges ahead come great opportunities.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, I fear that solely advocating for personal action will not get us where we need to be.  People - including myself - have been changing light bulbs, turning down thermostats, biking, etc. for years.  However we a need a f@cking social movement and we need it ASAP.  We need to hold our politicians accountable and turn them into the leaders that embody our values - about climate change and a host of other issues.</p>
<p>I have to admit that looking at the list above doesn&#8217;t get me particularly pumped.  And, as Andrew pointed out, it is incredibly unfortunate that our &#8220;first opportunity to put a women or a person of color in the white house has been tainted by the fact that neither of them have come out with a strong energy policy&#8221;.  However that is where we - the people come in.  We have the power to make Obama and Hillary better on climate.  We also have the power to make Edwards, Richards, et al. anti-racist and pro-feminist allies that Obama and Hillary respectively symbolize in many people&#8217;s eyes.</p>
<p>Ultimately, we have the power to make our voices extend beyond &#8220;a check mark on a ballot&#8221; and I hope that - you and I Evan - are speaking the same language of the &#8220;people&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://itsgettinghotinhere.org/2007/04/30/racing-towards-the-climate-election-poll/#comment-45636</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>presidential things are ok, and hopefully whoever gets elected will do something about climate change. but as with everything, the real power lies with the people. and our extends much much beyond a check mark on a ballot. this is nothing. our real power is how we live, how we communicate. if we bring peace within, then this will extend outwards into how we act in relation to all living things. i think this is important to remember with the upcoming election. let us not put too much energy into presidents and politicians, but rather focus on the greater project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>presidential things are ok, and hopefully whoever gets elected will do something about climate change. but as with everything, the real power lies with the people. and our extends much much beyond a check mark on a ballot. this is nothing. our real power is how we live, how we communicate. if we bring peace within, then this will extend outwards into how we act in relation to all living things. i think this is important to remember with the upcoming election. let us not put too much energy into presidents and politicians, but rather focus on the greater project.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos Rymer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos Rymer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the last comment, but I also want to say one thing. None of these plans are enough (and cap-and-trade is a risky choice by the way; we ought to make these clear). A group of well-recognized scientists recently made it clear that we are behind what the scientific community is saying. First, a US solution is not the full solution to global warming (of course, a global effort will come along with our action). Second, we will have to change the 80% by 2050 language to 90% by 2030 or deeper before we get locked into a system that is not flexible enough to make the 90% by 2030 change. Third, and final for now, we need over 60% global cuts by 2030. This is a bit out of what we all want to hear, but we do need to begin talking about these things, and much more. Thought I'd share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the last comment, but I also want to say one thing. None of these plans are enough (and cap-and-trade is a risky choice by the way; we ought to make these clear). A group of well-recognized scientists recently made it clear that we are behind what the scientific community is saying. First, a US solution is not the full solution to global warming (of course, a global effort will come along with our action). Second, we will have to change the 80% by 2050 language to 90% by 2030 or deeper before we get locked into a system that is not flexible enough to make the 90% by 2030 change. Third, and final for now, we need over 60% global cuts by 2030. This is a bit out of what we all want to hear, but we do need to begin talking about these things, and much more. Thought I&#8217;d share.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Nazdin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Nazdin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I realize that only 5 people have voted... but whoever voted for Obama must have missed his endorsement of coal-to-liquids. Which in affect, is an endorsement for the continued pillage of Appalachia and more Co2.

It sucks that our first opportunity to put a women or a person of color in the white house has been tainted by the fact that neither of them  have come out with a strong energy policy. I don't really want to vote for another white male, but unless Clinton or Obama shape up on climate change....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize that only 5 people have voted&#8230; but whoever voted for Obama must have missed his endorsement of coal-to-liquids. Which in affect, is an endorsement for the continued pillage of Appalachia and more Co2.</p>
<p>It sucks that our first opportunity to put a women or a person of color in the white house has been tainted by the fact that neither of them  have come out with a strong energy policy. I don&#8217;t really want to vote for another white male, but unless Clinton or Obama shape up on climate change&#8230;.</p>
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